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Episode 14 - The Truth About Voyeurism, reality & Road head
Hosted by Mel & Suzie

Melany Krangle & Suzie Sheckter

Speaker A: Welcome to sharing my truth with Mel. Suzie, the uncensored version where we bear it all.

Speaker B: We do 1234. Right then. Are you ready? I'm ready. Are you ready, kids? I am, aye, captain.

Speaker A: Well, welcome back, darlings, to sharing my truth pod. I'm Susie.

Speaker B: And I'm Mel.

Speaker A: And follow us for more at Sharing My Truth Pod on Instagram and TikTok and hello, babes, how are you?

Speaker B: I'm very well.

Speaker A: Very well. Fabulous. Yeah, it's getting a little warmer outside.

Speaker B: Oh my gosh, that helps.

Speaker A: It does.

Speaker B: I cannot tell you how much that helps.

Speaker A: I know.

Speaker B: To me, to be honest, when it's sunny and I see the blue sky, which as an English person, we don't see the blue sky very often. So it really helps psychologically. And the snow is not on the ground. That's the thing that just ****** me off.

Speaker A: It makes you feel sexy. No, like the warmth. It's like, finally, I can wear a mini skirt soon. It's like thanking God my mini skirt days have I don't believe that. I would love to see you in a mini skirt.

Speaker B: Absolutely questionable. Absolutely. But it's just not wearing that big coat like you're in your duvet. I just want to get all these layers off.

Speaker A: Yeah, I wore like a blazer just outside and I was like, oh, feels good.

Speaker B: Exciting. Feels good. But Canadians do have this false sense of it happens every year. And I note this as somebody who didn't grow up here. Every year you guys sort of say, right, it's March, it's spring, it should be. But every year, every year we think, you still have snow, you still have flowers, april still ****. It's not spring.

Speaker A: We always think that it's going to be summer and March and it never is.

Speaker B: Exactly. It's a delusional, but that's okay.

Speaker A: Well, Mel, what do you think about people watching?

Speaker B: Well, I think as a society, we do a lot of it. We love it. In what context? In a sort of cafe, or you have this sort of view. You're in a cafe in Paris and you're watching people walk by and you're having your glass of wine.

Speaker A: Absolutely.

Speaker B: Something sort of exciting like that.

Speaker A: Yes. I think it comes from also from being having past experiences, obviously, like working in the hospitality industry, where all you're doing is kind of like watching your guests and doing whatever you need to do for them. It just kind of turns you into this people watcher and you're seeing all the first dates. You're seeing men who've come with different women all week and then they come with their wife on Sundays, of course. And you can't say anything, obviously, but you want a good tip. But there's so many things, and I think we've just as you're saying, we've become a society of people watchers.

Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I think we're obsessed with it. I mean, at the end of the day, social media is a form of voyeurism and you find yourself? Don't you find yourself? I think anybody of any generation that is on a social media platform, you're like flicking through all this **** and then you sit there for quite a long time and you're like, what the.

Speaker A: **** am I watching?

Speaker B: But you're peeping into somebody's life and it's super creepy in a sense. Yeah.

Speaker A: And that's what we're talking about today. We're talking about the truth about voyeurism and how it is literally inflicting on our everyday life. And we're drinking a little bit of vino because it's a bit of a crazy little weird topic almost.

Speaker B: It is. I think we need a glass of wine. Definitely.

Speaker A: And cheers to you, love.

Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker A: Cheers to you.

Speaker B: Clink clink as we move away from the mind. Love, it priorities. But this is the thing.

Speaker A: It's like because of social media, as you're saying, it's like and honestly like ****, we're constantly watching people not only having sex, but just moving within their everyday lives. We're literally like what they call social stalking people. People are making finstas, which is literally so voyeuristic. So a finsta is like a fake Insta that you're making, right? And so people kind of use it either way. So either your Instagram on social media is completely curated to your brand and then you have a Finster that's actually freely you and you just have your friends on it. So that's one way of it. Or the other way to use it is like, obviously you have your regular Instagram that you're using and then you have a fake Instagram with like a fake picture of whatever, and you're using it to literally social stalk people and like your ex boyfriend and like your old boss and things like that. A finsta.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: That's like a little bit of a millennial Gen Z vocabulary for you.

Speaker B: It is education in itself.

Speaker A: So, yeah, that's what we're talking about. It's like literally voyeurism is doing something, like looking at someone or something in a completely, mostly sexual way.

Speaker B: Completely get your jollies if you like. Exactly. Yeah. That's the other way of putting it out of the watching, which obviously is completely illegal. It is in that sense. But it is so strange how we just look at stuff on the interweb or on social media or it's just so bizarre how we watch this stuff that for me, especially 20 years ago, 25 years ago, you would not have had the faintest clue that you would have been able to do that. And it's just peculiar. Yet it's so interesting. Yet it's not interesting. So most of the stuff you're watching on TikTok, Insta, Facebook I mean, who looks at Facebook anymore? But you know what I mean, whatever is really just a load of ****. Yeah, but we're all fascinated by it. But we're fascinated also what's so peculiar by watching people's stuff, yet they've curated this stuff. It's so strange.

Speaker A: Yeah, that's actually a good point. Voyeurs and people who have voyeuristic tendencies in the way they literally want to see the real you and how you're really having sex or, like, how you're undressing or all these other weird, gross things that people like Peeping Toms just want to see. I don't know what a female Peeping Tom would be.

Speaker B: That's a good point.

Speaker A: I don't know. Yeah, but anyway, literally just a stalker, which exists. This is not just a male problem, but yeah. In the way of just like it's extremely sexual, and you kind of just want to see the real way that even if it's like the grossest way you're having sex and you just want to watch it, they don't want to be involved. They don't they just want to watch.

Speaker B: But the disturbed thing, obviously, is the fact that the person they're watching has not in any way given their consent.

Speaker A: True.

Speaker B: So that's where the true creepiness comes in. Whereas if you think about anything we've been talking about, like social media, any of the other ways that you can see things, you have the consent to watch that person because they're on I'm not saying it's sexual, whatever they're doing, whether they're eating a pickle or whatever, they're doing all the weird things that you see. Yeah, but there are people eating pickles. I just have that thing of, like I remember when one of my daughters was really into watching ASMR oh, my God.

Speaker A: Trying to get my head around someone watching this.

Speaker B: We are watching somebody eating a pickle and listening to the sound of the pickle. Like, what is going on in the world? It is seriously ****** up if I'm listening to somebody eating a pickle in Pennsylvania or wherever it was.

Speaker A: No, I agree. It's just wild, horrible.

Speaker B: But that person has actually gone onto that platform, recorded themselves eating the pickle, opening the jar, the whole thing, even though you're looking into that, obviously they've given consent and they're in Italy. The huge difference. Yeah.

Speaker A: And those people are also putting that thing like, if you don't want to be looked at on social media, you don't have to post on social media, and no one's making you 100%.

Speaker B: Yeah, but we are in this society where we do have this weird desire to sort of sit behind something, sit behind the curtain, sit behind the computer and watch stuff. Even if you have the consent, which obviously voyeurism is in its extreme form, you don't have the consent. But it is pretty creepy if you have to think about it.

Speaker A: It's so ******* creepy. And there is this element of sexiness when you're like, let's say you're, like, in a bar or something, and you're like, I think that guy's watching me, and he's cute and you're attracted, and it's not consensual. Like, obviously you're not speaking about it, but there's an energy. And that's just obviously completely different as, like, literally a man outside or a woman outside. Obviously and they're watching a random person in a window going back going about their day.

Speaker B: Yeah, exactly what you're saying. If you're in a bar where you're kind of all there in a social context, you're all there. That's why you're there. You're not necessarily there, obviously to meet somebody. But it's different than obviously somebody with a camera on the other end. There have been so many movies made about it as well.

Speaker A: There's like a Netflix show. I mean, this is more of like stalking. I'm like, **** that. I don't know. But the Netflix show you, which is like getting like it's so much attention. I've actually watched that. I haven't actually either, but just because I literally get so freaked out by stalkers because I haven't had an actual stalker before. But there has been time that I'm like I've literally just been followed. And it's absolutely terrifying. You've had a stalker?

Speaker B: Yeah. Oh my God. Tell me about it. I suppose stalker maybe is a bit is there a classification of stalker? But when I was at university, this guy who I knew was watching me and my friend would call us and put the phone down and breathe. And this is in the days this is way before social media, way before, like literally as a phone is all you had phone and sending notes and stuff like that. And sort of breathing down the phone and doing all this stuff and picking the phone up and putting the phone down and clearly was watching us and stuff like that. I suppose we didn't do anything about it. We just kind of went, okay, well.

Speaker A: What can you ******* do about it?

Speaker B: Well, yeah, he's technically, like that's what's.

Speaker A: So hard about this. He's technically not breaking the law.

Speaker B: No, that's so hard.

Speaker A: I don't even know unless he's like literally physically assaulting. I'm sorry. But like, the police today and obviously like years ago of when you were in university, you call the police, what.

Speaker B: The **** are they going to do? They're going to be like, nothing.

Speaker A: What do you want us to do? I don't know nothing about it.

Speaker B: Especially when you're younger and you're not. So you don't really have the wherewithal to deal with things. Oh my god. It freaked us out.

Speaker A: Yeah, of course.

Speaker B: I lived with this other girl at university, and it was just like, oh my God, who the hell is that? And literally, it was so bizarre in those days because they had to call a landline and okay, it was much easier to find numbers for people, but they had to actually know where we were and call the line. And it's so terrifying. Very weird. And then it just kind of petered out. And that was that. But it's very, very common. I mean, at the end of the day, you have no idea. And it's actually one of the things my husband always says. I have two daughters, and he always says to us all the time. He's obsessed with it. Close the blinds, close the windows. You do not know who's out there. And there are a lot of very strange individuals.

Speaker A: I know what's really bad is that I never close my blind.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Ever close my blinds. And obviously we live in a loft apartment, like condo thing. And obviously there's like, condos right across from us. And I'm always so bad to say. I'm always like just checking it out because you can it's, like, so available. You're always just, like, looking at people like, oh, yeah, they're watching TV over there. Oh, yeah, the dog ******** on the balcony.

Speaker B: Exactly. It's virusic, isn't it?

Speaker A: Because you try to honestly, because people are I meant saw my neighbor just outside on his balcony, just like completely in the nude, like watering his plants. And I was like, good for you, dude. Yeah, but yeah, we'll have sex and blinds will be open.

Speaker B: Wow.

Speaker A: Everything. But I'm like, yes. No one's going to watch. They might.

Speaker B: Well, there you go. You don't know.

Speaker A: Sorry. To my neighbors.

Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Sometimes it's funny. I remember I was on holiday somewhere, and I was on this balcony, and the Balconies were very close together, and I was just sunbathing. And it was very common in Europe topless. I wasn't fully nude even at the topless, which is totally normal in Europe. Everyone in North America has a complete conniption about it, but it's nothing. And I sort of went to the sort of end of the balcony and just you're looking over at the view. Isn't this lovely? And I looked over to my left, and there's this very large Belgian man, completely naked. And I just went away very quickly. I mean, he wasn't freaked out at all.

Speaker A: No, of course.

Speaker B: I mean, that's not voyeuristic at all. But I'm just saying we live in such close proximity to other people, and maybe we don't respect each other's or we think somehow that because we live close to each other and we see.

Speaker A: Everything anyways, because social media, blah, blah, blah. It's just like yeah. And there's also the thing of, like when you're like a voyeur and even like I mean, I have these sexy thoughts of like it's like the risk of being caught. Not that, like, voyeurs are like the risk. It's like the risk of being caught. Like they're watching, let's say into the.

Speaker B: Watching they're not into. Yeah, what is it?

Speaker A: Do you know what I mean, though? They're watching. And then what if, like I don't know, I feel like that is something like that. If you want to have sex in public or something like that, it's like there is the risk of being caught. Not saying, I don't know. Is that voyeuristic?

Speaker B: That's a very good question. Well, let me tell you. I'm going to tell you. This is a fact.

Speaker A: Oh, are we on to milk fact.

Speaker B: Check from a source. This is from Merck's manuals. I'm not sure. Consumer version. I think this is pharmaceutical company or something. Anyway, I don't know, but I'm going to link it in the blog. But anyway, voyeurism is a form of paraphilia. So most people with Voyeuristic tendencies do not have Voyeuristic disorder. And Voyeurism is the act of observing I e peeping. That is arousing.

Speaker A: Right?

Speaker B: Just the peeping is arousing, the looking without the person's consent. It's not the sexual activity. So Voyeurs do not seek sexual contact with the person being observed. They just want to look. And that's the problem. Because they're looking at somebody without that person's consent. Yeah, but yeah, you're talking about being caught. Well, I suppose that is a sense.

Speaker A: Of because here's the thing. I'm pretty sure it's voyeuristic to be a flasher. That's a good question right there's. All those ******* men on the subway want to take their ******* **** out.

Speaker B: I can't tell you how many times I've been flashed at this is the thing.

Speaker A: I've definitely been flashed a couple of.

Speaker B: Times in the TTC, actually, and at a very young age. That's happened to me.

Speaker A: It's horrible. It's horrible when you get flashed, it's literally disgusting. It's so shocking and you can't do anything about it.

Speaker B: It's very confusing. It happened to me when I was very young and twice.

Speaker A: Wow. Like very young. As in like twelve or no, once.

Speaker B: When I was eight.

Speaker A: Wow.

Speaker B: And another time I was in a public pool and I was with a friend and I was probably about ten wow. Coming out of the changing room. And this man was just getting it out. And then finally somebody saw him and got rid of him.

Speaker A: In the woman's changing room?

Speaker B: No, like it was just the changing room. You sort of came out into this area that just wasn't very visible to the rest. What? The pool wasn't exactly close by, but he was just like, standing, lurking, waiting for particularly because at that time of day, young girls to come out.

Speaker A: It was horrible.

Speaker B: Absolutely foul. And the other time was not a nice experience. But it's funny. Well, it's not funny. Funny is the wrong word. But when it happens at a young age, it goes into this weird recesses of your mind and you don't think anything of it because you're too young to process it. And many years later you're like, oh my God, that happened. Yeah, because it once happened to me when I was with a friend and her brother was older, so we were about eight, and her brother was probably a good ten or more years older than us. And then all of a sudden he just flashed. And he actually had some issues with his kind of mental capacity. But it's strange how it happened. And then I didn't think about it for years and years and years, and then I was like and then it's weird. It comes back to you, but all those things. Is that voyeuristic? I mean, I don't know. Is it the same kind of paraphilia? I mean, it's a serious disorder.

Speaker A: I think it's like the voyeuristic tendencies obviously not all voyeurs are the same, right?

Speaker B: Absolutely.

Speaker A: And it's just like it's the way that we are and it's not the way that we are, but it's the way that some people can become because of these things like **** and social.

Speaker B: Media, like cam Girls and all that sort of stuff. You can sit behind a screen and see pretty much anything you want. Anything money can buy. You can go online and you can see. I mean, I have to say in sort of defense of that, that generally it's women, sometimes couples, but the people on the other side, or only fans or any of these kind of things, they are protected by the fact they're doing this completely consensually, 100%.

Speaker A: I am not ******* ******** on cam girls.

Speaker B: Absolutely not.

Speaker A: Power to them.

Speaker B: I 100% agree. And they are protected. And that, in many senses, is an amazing thing about the modern world, is that they can provide that service and they are protected. In the old days, they were not protected at all from all the menagerie of weirdos out there. And that is the thing, is that there are people that are seriously disturbed psychologically. The way you and I think about normal sexual, social, whatever, interactions. I mean, normal is what do we mean? That's a broad term. But the way we think about it, the way we think about meeting people and you think that if you need to meet people or see people by being hidden, what the layers of stuff that means. But that added to that, we live in a world where it's completely geared towards you being able to do all this stuff and not be seen or nobody knows. And it has a side where we're talking about only fans and cowgirls and stuff like that. Which is fine, but then it has a really, really dark side.

Speaker A: Yeah, of course. Like anything, though.

Speaker B: Like anything. Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's the thing about human beings. And I think that the modern world. Like people I hear a lot of funny talk about generational things like boomers. Or older. Even older. I know people are even older who say things like, oh my God, social media and the interweb does all these terrible things and you're like, no, you don't understand. Yeah, these are human beings. They're going to be like this anyway. This is just a new thing, a new way to do stuff. 100% and by cutting this out is not going to stop anything.

Speaker A: It's like ****. It's like **** has always been there since the beginning. And you think because, oh my God, you like, I don't know, sign a petition that pornhub should be off the internet.

Speaker B: Are you ******?

Speaker A: I literally almost said into it, but I hate you for it. But it's ridiculous. It's just like **** is always going to be there, and it's not like everyone's going to have a **** addiction because of this. **** addiction happens because this person has an addictive personality and they may not have a better social life. Like, it's just upsetting. But it's not ****'* fault.

Speaker B: No.

Speaker A: And it's the same with everything.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: You just have to like things in moderation.

Speaker B: Absolutely right. Sugar, booze. ****. That's right.

Speaker A: The three gifts of life.

Speaker B: Alcohol. Did I say alcohol? I don't know what I said.

Speaker A: I think you did.

Speaker B: Wine. So who knows what I've said? That's great.

Speaker A: I love that. Well, I mean, we're all voyeurs in our own way. I actually truly believe that it's just because of social media and because literally, people watching has become such a people love to people watch. People love to people watch.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And not in a sexual way, but just love 100%.

Speaker B: But you think about reality TV. Yes. Weird shows that I have to say. I've never personally really got into, like, I don't know if you've ever watched Love Island, which is a huge thing.

Speaker A: Jeff loves it. I cannot stand it.

Speaker B: It's a huge thing. And I've never got into it, but my daughters, or one of my daughters is really into it. She's always talking about and then stuff like reality TV, like any kind of reality TV. It started with Big Brother. I don't know what it was called here. Like when you're in the house.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's Big Brother here, which is.

Speaker B: Depressingly, a British invention. I really am very sorry to the world for that. But that is virtic that you want to see these people in this house, how they're going to get along? Are they going to have sex? Are they going to fight? Are they going to be friends? Yeah.

Speaker A: And you want to see it all.

Speaker B: And you want to see it.

Speaker A: There's literally cameras everywhere. And it's weird. It's so weird.

Speaker B: It's super weird. Yeah. And I remember when I first I think the first Big Brother god, when was that? In the UK? Got 105 years ago. That was kind of interesting. And then after that, you're like, oh, my God, this is so boring. Like, what are we watching? But people were obsessed, and they still are. I mean, you think about there's a reality TV for what people have in their storage lockups. There's reality TV, like the survivor thing. Oh, my God, there's reality TV for everything. And then there was the whole sort of Apprentice stuff with Trump and all that sort of ****. But it's all about watching people do something, and it fail.

Speaker A: People love to watch people fail.

Speaker B: Yeah, because it makes them feel better. Of course it makes you feel better about your life if your life's a bit ******* than 100%. And maybe that's the thing about social media, is that you watch all this stuff and you go, Well, I'm not that ****. My life's not that ****. I'm really good.

Speaker A: That is honestly like it's so funny. It is literally like the amount of reality TV shows there are out there now because they keep making them.

Speaker B: It's cheap. It's cheap TV. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker A: Well, these people get paid.

Speaker B: Yes, but it's not talent. They don't have to pay serious round. So it's cheap. Cheap and cheerful. It's cheap. And then they don't watch it like Love Island or whatever. They don't have to they're not they've become famous afterwards. But they're not generally when they go in. No. And that really is what we call in England, a knocking shop.

Speaker A: I'm sorry, what?

Speaker B: Well, when they're sort of they're just.

Speaker A: ******** a knock in shop.

Speaker B: Knocking knocking shop. That's probably not very polite. Yeah, it's basically when they're all having sex.

Speaker A: No, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker B: Everyone's waiting or waiting anticipation. And I honestly have not seen that much. But in the UK, you cannot watch TV for somebody not talking about Love Island. Love island itself. Then people are talking about watching Love Island and it's just weird.

Speaker A: It is really weird. And then all these real housewives.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: Just the franchises of them. And it's just like all of Bravo TV.

Speaker B: Exactly.

Speaker A: And it's getting ridiculous.

Speaker B: It's getting ridiculous. And I remember, like, the early days of that. You watched it and you're like and it's super voyeuristic, but, you know, in your head, this is all edited. Yeah. So it's like this weird, like, hang on, I think I'm seeing their life. I'm not really seeing that.

Speaker A: You know what? I don't actually think people I don't think a lot of people actually think it's out of this.

Speaker B: Is it me who just thinks that?

Speaker A: No, I mean, obviously it is edited and the producers do things and say things and make other people, like the cast, do things. It's obviously very edited in that way and scripted in a way of it's not scripted, but it's like the producers do things to make things happen, but a lot of people just don't believe it that way. They're just like, oh, my God, this is so real, and this is how they live and this is what they're doing.

Speaker B: And it's terrifying because it doesn't the only Real Housewives one that I watched is the one is it Beverly Hills? And they're just completely ridiculous. Well, they don't really go they don't do normal things. They don't go to the supermarket, but they go anywhere and they look like they're getting dressed up to go to I mean, it's insane. And then the fights and the jewels and then the cars. And the one woman is actually English, I think she's the funniest person, obviously, and she has this little sort of little doggy like, oh, yeah, I like her.

Speaker A: She's the only one that everyone likes.

Speaker B: Yeah, she's hilarious. Because I think she has actually worked. The rest of them are sort of but the bitchiness is on another level.

Speaker A: And the amount of crazy you have to be to just be cast in that show and to just live that life, to have literally I can't imagine. Obviously, I'm an actor, and I like to do things on that time when I'm hired for it. But to have that all the time, I don't know how long they're doing it. The pressure of that six months or whatever it is out of the year that you're just constantly on cameras in front of you.

Speaker B: And the thing I would personally, if I did it like, we're doing this podcast. It's like you personally are in it, but my whole family isn't it. I'm not consenting for my children and everyone I know to be on it. And I think that's the hard side of it.

Speaker A: Yeah, but anyway, we got a little off topic there. We have a bit honestly, I think I'd be really good at reality TV. Like on Love Island.

Speaker B: I think I'd kill it. I seriously think you'd kill it.

Speaker A: I think I'd kill it. Love island. If you want to have me, I'll go.

Speaker B: And there's lots of Scottish guys on.

Speaker A: It, I think, you know, I love a Scot.

Speaker B: You'd love the talking and what they're saying. You'd be like, what are you saying? To be quite nice. You wouldn't understand about 95% of what was going on.

Speaker A: I would love that.

Speaker B: Probably key.

Speaker A: I was like, you can talk to me. I won't ******* know what the **** you saying.

Speaker B: Exactly.

Speaker A: Well, love island. Reach out. Hit me up on the DM.

Speaker B: Love island, we've got somebody for you here. So just go to our home page.

Speaker A: But I'm not British. They have American ones.

Speaker B: I don't think you can do it as a Canadian. Why?

Speaker A: I don't think you can do it.

Speaker B: As Canadian or something. That's not right.

Speaker A: Right. Do you tell them?

Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to contact them.

Speaker A: Thank you so much. I'll call my agent.

Speaker B: Yeah, because I can't see them having Canada. Love island.

Speaker A: No. Where would we go? Muskoka.

Speaker B: Yeah, that wouldn't work. Anyways, enough about Love Island.

Speaker A: Back onto Voyagers.

Speaker B: So we're back onto Voyagers. So what have we concluded, Susie?

Speaker A: Well, **** is good.

Speaker B: **** is good, isn't it?

Speaker A: Paraphilia is bad.

Speaker B: Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker A: I think it's all just like a give and take. There's the fact where it's like it is sexy of a risk of getting caught. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, maybe I'll give some roadhead and maybe the guy in the truck next door will see it.

Speaker B: Road head.

Speaker A: Yeah. There's just like, weird things like that that I'm like, this is kind of hot because we could get caught, but it's not like I'm doing it for someone else.

Speaker B: That is the thing of the week. Some roadhead. Oh, my God.

Speaker A: That is I'm just being truthful.

Speaker B: Yeah. And you should sharing your truth. I love it.

Speaker A: But roadhead, that is bill, have you never given roadhead? Come on, be honest.

Speaker B: Maybe, but I have definitely not called it road.

Speaker A: What do you call it?

Speaker B: I don't think I've got given a blowy. I haven't gone as far as to give it a description.

Speaker A: Well, we call it road head.

Speaker B: Okay. Now I know.

Speaker A: Now you know.

Speaker B: I'm up with the verbiage.

Speaker A: It's excellent. I mean, there's just things that, like, I think we all do and we all kind of think about this. We wouldn't do it if we didn't think we would get caught. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker B: Yeah. Look, I think it doesn't matter what it is in life. It doesn't matter. We're talking about voyeurism. But it doesn't matter whether it's this. It doesn't matter whether it's alcohol. Doesn't matter whether it's anything in your life. If you do it to an obsessive level, there is a problem. And obviously voyeurism is about consent. And that's particularly a huge topic in the modern world, if you like, for women that men finally are kind of understanding that somewhat. But that understanding that you do not have somebody's if somebody says no, it's no. And you cannot look at them, talk to them, touch them, whatever the hell it is, without their consent. And that is absolutely crucial. But I think that it's like anything like I just said, like anything in life, anything that's obsessive, anything that crosses that line of not having consent, somebody's I keep saying consent, but yeah, consent, then it's a problem. You've crossed the line. It's not very complicated.

Speaker A: But even, like, you're like this obsession with social media and needing to know what everyone's doing at all times. Yeah, it's like, why are we so addicted to it?

Speaker B: I don't know. I mean, I find the thing I'm not on Snapchat because I'm way too old.

Speaker A: I'm even too old for Snapchat thing.

Speaker B: I've never used it, but obviously I see it for my kids. And it's like I find that super strange that they look at this sort of map and they can see where everyone is at any one time. I would hate that.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: But that is kind of voyeuristic. And they look at it and they're like, oh, so and so. Or, you know, recently we were away on a family vacation, and my daughter's like, oh, you know, so and so is here, and so and so is down the road, and we were in a completely different country, and I was.

Speaker A: Just like, Why are you ******* looking at this?

Speaker B: It's very weird. But they're obsessed with it. Yeah. And so they can never disconnect and somebody can please tell me if I've got that wrong, but I do feel it's a generational thing. I love it if nobody knows where I am.

Speaker A: I love it too.

Speaker B: I don't want anybody to know where I am, which are good social media people do know where you are, but they actually want to know they want people to know where they are and they want to know where other people yeah. Anyway, but that is the social media platforms have done that. They've made them seek that desire that in a totally sort of everyday level, it's very strange. It's very weird. Yeah.

Speaker A: I mean, it's not for everyone, obviously. Gen Z is growing up with it, so it's much harder to disconnect.

Speaker B: I don't think they can disconnect.

Speaker A: No, they're never going to. And even us, like me now, unless I can afford to disconnect. You know what I mean?

Speaker B: How can I think it's almost impossible. Everything in your life is we're all voyeurs, baby. Yeah.

Speaker A: We're all a little bit voyeurs. Are you kidding me? You're a TikTok queen.

Speaker B: I do love you love TikTok as we know you love a tickety talk.

Speaker A: You love TikTok. I love watching people and hearing them.

Speaker B: With I love TikTok.

Speaker A: And that's fine.

Speaker B: And I don't know why I like TikTok.

Speaker A: Because you're a fire.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Maybe just a couple of tendencies here and there. Just a sprinkle.

Speaker B: I think I'm going to backtrack. I think saying I love TikTok is a little strong.

Speaker A: Well, you don't have to lie to our audience.

Speaker B: But I am a scroller. Scroller. Yeah.

Speaker A: You're a scroller like everyone else.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Which is I know you're too posh to push, but you're still a scroller in the heart.

Speaker B: Very good. You remembered that. I love it. Yeah. I was too posh to push. I wasn't, actually. I just didn't push. But anyway, that's another subject. Go back to our older podcasts. Yeah.

Speaker A: Well, anyways, love, this has been fabulous.

Speaker B: It has.

Speaker A: And did we learn about voyeurism?

Speaker B: I think we did a bit. I think we've understood something on some level.

Speaker A: Absolutely, we did.

Speaker B: And I hope other people have understood a little bit.

Speaker A: I think everyone in my thinking about yeah. And my idea. It's like if something that doesn't hurt someone else gets you off, doesn't hurt you, doesn't hurt yourself, it gets you off.

Speaker B: And is legal and it's key.

Speaker A: Would hopefully be legal. But legal legality has changed in every country.

Speaker B: Legal Schmegel.

Speaker A: Legal Schmegel. Like it's ******* illegal to be gay places. **** that ****. Do you know what I mean? **** the legals. I know your husband's a lawyer, but I'm not saying anyways, intense. But you know what I mean? It's just like if it's not hurting anyone else and everything's consensual, then yeah.

Speaker B: Consent is a key. Consent is key. That's it. That's it, baby.

Speaker A: That's what we learned today.

Speaker B: Consent is key. Yeah.

Speaker A: Anything to add? We're good?

Speaker B: No, I have nothing to add.

Speaker A: Excellent. We've done it all.

Speaker B: I've done it all. I'm saying goodbye. Until the next time, Susie.

Speaker A: Until the next time.

Speaker B: And we love you. We love you.

Speaker A: And talk to us about voyeurism, guys. Let us know what you guys think.

Speaker B: We want to hear. We want you to send us stories. Share. Keep doing it.

Speaker A: If you're a voyeur and you want to chat with us, I'd like to know.

Speaker B: Would you?

Speaker A: I like to know all the stories.

Speaker B: She loves stories.

Speaker A: I love a good story.

Speaker B: Loves a story. And the more outrageous the better.

Speaker A: Oh, **** yeah.

Speaker B: So, yeah, she's the person to share with.

Speaker A: Thanks, guys. Can't wait to hear from you. Bye, you dirty dogs.

Speaker B: Speak next time. Thanks so much for listening. Please rate and review this podcast and follow us on social at Sharing My Truth Pod and leave us a voicemail on our website to share your stories and experiences with us. We'll see you next time.

Speaker A: Bye bye. Two, one, gap.

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