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Hey, babes.

Mel: Hello, Danny.

Suzie: How are you?

Mel: I'm fine. I'm good. I'm marvelous. I'm amazing.

Suzie: Oy, bae. It's like the holidays are here and it's stressful as **** and this is keeping me sane right now. Oh, truly.

Mel: That's nice. Yeah, it does get a little, you know, nutty, doesn't it?

Suzie: It gets a little nutty.

Mel: People get a little nutty.

Suzie: Yeah. I was at the mall today and I was like, literally want to kill you.

Mel: Oh, yeah.

Suzie: I just like why?

I was there for way too long. You know, when you start going stir crazy, you're like, I need to get the hell out of here.

Mel: Natural light.

Suzie: Holy cow. It's horrible to just be in there with all the folk of who want to slap. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm just in a mood.

But anyways, we have a little bit of a controversial epi right now.

It's been all over TikTok mainly. I have seen it on Instagram as well.

And what's funny about this, guys, is that Mel actually brought this up to me because Mel is much more on TikTok than she is on Instagram. And when Mel brings it up on TikTok, you know, it's good.

Right? So.

So I don't know if you guys have seen this, but there has been a lot of videos where there's two young, gorgeous girls and they talk about proudly as it seems that they are.

Are going to be sleeping or then have slept with 100 men, 1,000 men, and they're obviously filming it in one day, like further OnlyFans pages, I'm assuming.

Mel: I think the original idea is. Yeah. For promotion, to make it relatable. One of them said so that people who watch their onlyfans can kind of see themselves in the videos because they are in the videos.

Suzie: I think there's a. There's this very. And this is why I call it controversial because we're in this very hard part of society where it's like, okay, yes, feminism, 100%. If you, you, if you are in charge of your own body and no one's making you do this and you're the one who's making money from it, it's your page, it's your choice, then like, yeah, who, who are we to say anything about anything?

Right. Like it is your life and you have to make these decisions. And if you want to do this like 100, that's your choice. And if also I think this is the hardest part that I have about it.

It's like, and if you're, especially if you're getting pleasure from this and this is maybe your kink or your fetish and you want to get railed by a hundred guys or a thousand guys in a day, and that's actually what you want to do because there are women like that who actually get pleasure out of that.

Mel: And it's 100 or a thousand.

Suzie: Well, yeah. Right. It's exactly so. And these guys are strangers. Yeah, these, these are not a thousand men that these women know.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: These are strangers, which is even more concerning.

Mel: Guys off the street. Yeah, it's like anybody for me.

Suzie: And I'm a very sex positive person. If you've been listening to the pod, you know that I'm a very sex positive person.

I'm a huge pleasure advocate of your own, like owning your own pleasure, 100%, whatever that means, as long as it's not hurting anyone else. But this just gives me the heebie jeebies for whatever reason.

And I don't want to come into that like, judgmental place. Right. I've. I'm really trying not to go into that, but I just want to like, like these women are, have ****** up if there, if there was any other, like we were talking about it a little bit and I, I will shut the up in a second and let you speak.

But your, the body holds a score of the trauma. Like there will. These women are giving themselves trauma even if they don't know it yet.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Right. And so it's just so hard for me to watch that and just go like, oh, no. These women are taking ownership of their own pleasure and they want to do this because they want to do it.

It's like, I don't think that is the case. It just really doesn't feel like that. It feels really gross. It feels like they're doing it for a.

Just like, I don't know what it's just so gross to me. It's just so sad.

What do you feel about it?

Mel: Well, I mean, that's why I brought it up to you because they're actually two British women. So one's called Bonnie Blue and the other one, I believe is called Lily Phillips, I think that's her name.

And I think they're sort of around the same age.

Suzie: They both look very young.

Mel: Yeah. And they're so beautiful, really like lovely. So very pretty. And they are only fans, models, if that's the, I guess the term. I obviously. Well, neither of us know what really is on their account, but I think.

Suzie: I think we're not subscribers.

Mel: I think it's obviously pornographic in nature. It's not just a few pics in there. I think it's like interactional film. I don't know. But this came. This has been like going on in the UK for quite some time because they're both British and particularly the one, Bonnie Blue, has been on all sorts of shows and stuff because she kind of glibly says, you know, I want to just make my account and my content relatable.

So I think one of the things she said is she has a lot of particularly very young men watching. So she wants to have sex with young. Let young men have sex with her.

Like it's 100 or more than 100, so that they can see themselves having sex.

And then there's other girl that's followed suit, Lily Phillips, who's also an only fans, model, star, whatever you want to call it. I think they've both, particularly Bonnie Blues, made a lot of money out of only fans.

And I think.

And she also. So she's famously recently had sex with a hundred men in one day. So I think they just sort of go onto their social media, they drive them mostly towards X, you know, formerly known as Twitter, because you can be a lot more sort of liberal on X formerly known as Twitter, than you can on Instagram and tick tock things you can't say.

You can say there. And, you know, as far as I know, guys just sign up and literally it's like randos from the street, you know, it's like, you know, literally, do you want to come and **** me?

And, you know, if you think about it mathematically, 100 in however many hours of the day, because it's, you know, probably the day, not like all night, whatever. You've literally got a couple of seconds or a minute per guy.

It's just, well, who's getting anything out of this, like really well, see, that's.

Suzie: The problem I have. It's like these women have obviously never had good sex in their entire lives or they would not be doing this.

Mel: Well, I think I. So I think the reason I brought it up to you is what I see as very interesting is that it started a whole argument from all sides.

So from feminists raging. Oh, my God. Because I think one or two of these women has used the term my body, my choice. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, that is not what that term means.

And what's interesting is the kind of feminist or sex positive people like yourself who are like, you know, live life, do what you do, have completely got the ick over this as have the sort of moral sort of brigade, you know, the people sitting on the sort of more traditional side.

Like, no, that's gross. And like, everyone thinks it's gross on either side of the argument.

Suzie: Male, female, men are still signing up for it, though.

Mel: Yeah, but that's the point. And I think what the feminists are saying is the point about my body, my choice is number one, that you're getting pleasure out of this. It's not just about the man, which is not what this is about.

This is. And that you're like, you're. These guys are signing up. I mean, of course they're signing up. I mean, you know, it's completely gross. But of course they're signing up.

And I think one of them is mostly like students, like very young. Yeah, like university students or young men. And of course they are. I mean, come on. And so it.

You are like literally undoing so much. Good. So that's why the argument of the sort of feminist side of it. They're coming at it, all sides are agreeing and have the ick.

Which I think is interesting.

Suzie: Well, and it's. But there is that thing of like, it is their body, their choice.

Mel: It 100% is.

Suzie: No one's making them do this. Do you know what I mean?

Mel: Well, that's the thing that's been going on for a while. Is. Is this actually some kind of adult film company and this is some promo stunt and they're actually not doing it?

Or. But I think. I don't know, because I don't. I'm not sure anybody really knows what's going on, but it does seem they are, you know, only fans.

Very, very successful. Only fans, models. And they're doing this for promotion purposes. So you can say, well, you know, it's business. And you're like, okay, you know, fine. But it's kind of.

I think the way they're going about it, the way they're talking about it is just kind of gross because it's.

Suzie: Not about their pleasure. At the end of the day, how you're not, I'm sorry, women and men, you're not able to get. Reach an orgasm for women by absolutely. A man coming in you for 30.

Mel: Seconds, not 100 of them. I mean, like it's not gonna happen.

Suzie: By the fifth one, you can't feel it's gonna be sore, baby.

Mel: Probably like the third or fourth one, you're not gonna feel anything. And you know, these are also men. You have had no interact. Like you don't know. Like you might as well have met them in a public toilet.

You don't know who they are.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And.

Suzie: And also we obviously haven't seen the video, but we are assuming, hoping, praying that they're all wearing condoms.

Mel: I really. They must be.

Suzie: But as we know, condoms are not 100% safe.

You can still get an STI, especially if they're coming on you or whatever the **** is going on. Like you can still get an sti, you can still get pregnant and then you wouldn't even know who's the father.

Mel: Well, 100% does that. I mean, it's just the whole thing, it just has this very gross vibe about it, I think where the argument, you know, where the sort of. It's all getting a bit lost and it's just like you see it and you're like, whatever side of the argument you're on is that these women are doing it as marketing.

They're not doing it. They don't give a **** about their pleasure. They're doing this to make sure their OnlyFans account hits record. They make lots of money. That's why they're doing it.

So it's the same argument. And I have no issue with anybody who has an only account fans account. If you're a **** star, whatever, you're doing what you're doing to make a living, that's entirely up to you.

That's really nothing to do with me. And that is your business. And obviously if you're a **** star or an only fans model, I guess that's the one. You have to promote your stuff.

You have to get ahead. And now what they were taught, I saw a video, I think it was yesterday, is because specifically OnlyFans has become so saturated for obvious reasons that it's very difficult, like any social media or any kind of platform to get yourself ahead of everyone.

Else, it's very. It's almost impossible.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Because there's a billion, a bajillion beautiful girls. There's however many girls with blah, blah, blah, blah, and men. And there's all. There's lots of people doing the same stuff. So how do you make yourself stand out?

So they're obviously doing something which is. Which is a marketing stunt. The fact that we're talking about it is. It's working. I know. And so men are going to go on to OnlyFans.

They're going to look for Bonnie Blue, who's famous now, and Lily Phillips, and they're going to look for their videos and they can charge whatever the hell they like. Yeah.

So it is totally promotion. And I think a lot of people have been extremely sanctimonious about this, have lost sight of the fact it's. This is promotion, this is for money.

The problem we have is that most things you do for money, you don't actually have somebody entering you, that they're literally leaving their mark on you. And it's at levels, it's just the numbers.

And this one girl, Lily Phillips, now wants to have sex with a thousand men in one day. Which, I mean, you know, you just wonder, how is that even logistically possible?

Suzie: Like, the beautiful thing about Only Fans was, and we spoke about this before we started the pod is that like, the great thing about Only Fans is, like, it's like a.

It's like a cam website, right? Like, yeah.

So it's like, you know, you don't even have to **** anyone. You don't even have to take your clothes off if you didn't want to. Like, OnlyFans is amazing because you literally were super safe.

You could do whatever you wanted. You did it in your own place. You had a complete control of your money. Besides, like, obviously onlyfans gets a cut, but, like, it's.

It was just such a great idea for sex workers to be safe, to be so safe and make. Still make amazing money if they wanted to. And now it's just.

I just. It just makes me so sad that, like, these women think that this is what they have to do to it. That's what it feels like to become these, like, huge names in the Only Fans or **** industry.

And it's like, you don't have to a bunch of guys and like, not doing it for you, but doing it for them. Like, a lot of men I know because they've told me, like, they love watching a woman get pleasure.

Like, they love the fact that women get Pleasure from sex. This is purely advertising and like you know, pushing the idea that women don't need pleasure for sex. And like it's the completely wrong idea.

This is like so backwards. Like we're so going backwards on this. And that's what really ******* ****** me off. I think about it. Yeah.

Mel: I think, I think that's, I mean that's the feminist argument or the normal rational man.

Suzie: I feel like I'm just like, I'm not even trying to be a feminist about it. I'm just like it's. There's two people in this.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Why is it all going to be all about the one person?

Mel: Yeah, I mean I think. And that's particularly promoting that. Yeah, particularly Bonnie Blue said a lot of that. Like she said stuff like I believe that you know, women who don't have sex with their husbands are lazy and she's made all these sort of, kind of oddly kind of very old fashioned sort of comments.

Yeah. And I think so. I think there's a lot of weird things going on here is that she is basically a **** star. I don't know what her content is but I assume it is pornographic on only fans having sex with either with I assume people she knows originally a bit like you're a **** star.

Right. I mean I assume that's what it is. Now what's happened is and most of her audience or all of her audience is men. So she's decided to find a way to stand out from everyone else to get lots of promotion essentially in a free way and to to get the most visibility she can.

And she succeeded. She has an only a fans account. Her clientele or her audience is male and how is she going to get them interested and relating to her? Well, she's found a way to do it so you can say okay, well okay, you've achieved that.

I think what's disturbing us even on the sex positive kind of very open minded side of the scale is like is it really worth it? Like you could make a lot of money but you are going to have to live.

Like you think this is all very. The way she comes across is this is very transactional. It's just sex. It's just a ***** going in a hole. But you know you're going to.

She's only 25. You are going to be, I don't know in a year however how many men you're going to have slept with that you cannot remember that there was no pleasure in any of those interactions.

Suzie: It's traumatizing.

Mel: Yeah. Although, you know, she.

Suzie: Even though she doesn't realize it right.

Mel: Now, if she was a prostitute or she is a **** star, there is no pleasure. It's a job. Right? So. But I think what we're finding so difficult is the amount of.

Of men. So, you know, we're used to, like, I don't think we know many **** stars names in the. In the mainstream. But, you know, people are used to the idea of **** stars and some of the years have become very successful and sort of become more in the mainstream, but there isn't.

It's more like this idea, okay? They're in a movie and certain people watch the movie and they do their job and they kind of go home and it's a. It's a movie, it's entertainment.

I think what she's done here is. But. And Lily Phillips, the same. It's because she's brought it into the real world. I think that's what we're really grossed out by.

This isn't a movie where she's got five actors that she knows.

Suzie: We know that she's not being respected.

Mel: Exactly.

Suzie: Like, it's not professional.

Mel: It's not a movie. And whatever people think about ***********, you know, like in the States or even in Europe's highly regulated, everyone's been checked. You know, they don't just have some random person turning up on set.

There is a script, there is a blah, blah, blah, everyone, there's a contract.

Suzie: You have to sign it. You have to make sure that everyone's.

Mel: 18 for one and tested and the whole thing. And, you know, generally, I. I mean, I don't know, but I don't think there are many movies where somebody's had sex with a hundred men and you're doing this movie, you've contracted to do it, it's a job, and it's with other actors in the industry, and that's what they do.

And they know how to behave and they know how to do things in the right way. Whereas this is having sex with a hundred men. Literally. You could be, you know, let's say the guy in the grocery store and a guy who's, I don't know, in a cafe and a guy who.

It could be any cross section, a.

Suzie: Mixture of people, horrible, gross thing. I think that, like, is actually what I'm starting to think about it now is also, like, this could end so horribly because I don't know if they have security and wherever the **** they're doing it, right?

Mel: Like, no, I do.

Suzie: Like, if you don't have Security. Or even if you do, there's a hundred men coming in to have their way with you that can. And if you're like, oh, guys, like, just like, hold on, like, I need a break.

And they're like, no, you Right. It can turn out 100 in a horrible way because you don't get a break unless they say so. There's a hundred against two or one.

It's like, yeah, it's like, holy ****, you are so unsafe unless. And you think these random guys are going to respect your wishes now?

Mel: Like, I mean, I think. And yeah, yeah. Just the testosterone in the. In the kind of room or the space or wherever they are. And I think they showed, like, there's a documentary that's now been made about Lily Phillips, the second one.

And the thing that was so weird is she's like talking to the documentary guy and she's almost crying, and he's like. He's being very obviously good to try and get her to speak.

But it's a bit like, why are you crying? You can't put yourself. Yeah, but we know why you're crying. But you put yourself in this crazy situation and then nobody asks you to do this.

You're doing this to promote yourself. Yeah, we understand marketing and promotion. I think we're taking this a little bit far. And then they sort of showed a picture of the room, and it's just disgusting because it's all these, like, tissues and stuff.

And that's the thing of, you know, whatever's in the tissues. Is that, like, to me, the whole, like, all these men who. I think that was my first question to you was like, do they all have to be clean?

And you're like, no, of course.

Suzie: How are. Who's going to check?

Mel: So who's checking they're not clean? No. Bodily flu. I mean, just the whole thing.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And the way they talk about it, just like, oh, yeah. And just. And. And, you know, I'll just come in and put. You put your bag down and I'll just lay down and take trousers off.

And it's just like.

Like what? Like, it's.

Suzie: Yeah, well, just imagine being the first guy and then imagine being the 100th guy.

Mel: Ugh.

Suzie: How do you get to pick the order to get a goodie bag at the end of it?

Mel: Oh, geez.

Suzie: Like, I just.

Mel: I mean, it's. I think, you know, they're. They're saying, I. I understand.

They're saying we're doing this for marketing. Kind of like, essentially you. I mean, you know, not yeah, yeah. Is like, I have my only fans account. I'm trying to reach my audience.

These people, these youngish men are my audience. And, you know, I want to get them, you know, interested in me. I want to be visible. Yeah, but you're just like, there's marketing and this marketing.

Like, is this worth it? And is this may seem worth it now? Like, you're going to make lots and lots of money, but you are going to find it very difficult to have a relationship.

You're going to have very difficult to get over it. All sorts of stuff. And I think we've talked about this in a previous episode where we talked about OnlyFans, and I said to you, I have no issue if that's what you choose to do.

As a. You know, personally, I don't judge anyone. I mean, you do, of course. We all judge people, but I mean, it's up to you if you do. Only fans judge.

Suzie: But we're not like, okay, like, you have to stop. It's like, no, okay, we get that you're ******* having control over your.

Mel: But that's the thing to me, OnlyFans. And even being a **** star is you actually have control. Yes, but particularly OnlyFans, because I assume most of the time you're choosing. You're either.

I think a lot of only fans accounts, they're having sex with their partners anyway, but they're choosing who they're having sex with. And a **** star. You're in a professional kind of environment, we may all think.

But no, it is professional. Right. And people are making a choice to do that. And it's not random people and it's very safe and blah, blah, blah. It's not something I.

I couldn't. Couldn't do it. I couldn't be a **** star.

Suzie: You could be like the hot little MILF that comes in and whips someone but doesn't **** them.

Mel: Yeah, maybe that's true. I think you do. I just think there's a level of confidence which I also admire, which I just wouldn't have that confidence to be.

Suzie: There's so much to admire about sex workers in general. I mean, very hard work.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: This is why they're called sex workers.

Mel: Yeah. There's another one. There's another girl on TikTok who is.

And now it's gonna escape me. But people who watch TikTok will see it. And she is supposedly a sex worker and she's got like a million followers. Right. She's an Australian girl.

Right. And the way she talks is absolutely Hilarious. Because she has to, like, you know, she says, oh, he wants the back door, and stuff like that. It's like she has to, like, talk around it, obviously.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: But it's amazing. She has a ****** TikTok account and she's a sex worker. Right.

Suzie: Like, there's his ways. I. That's also what I can't believe. I can't believe they're able to promote their stuff on TikTok.

Mel: But this is the point I'm making.

Suzie: How is this possible?

Mel: But, you know, other people who are just, like, trying to market something really innocuous, like a vibrator or underwear or something, they get banned. Yeah, but you could be a sex worker and you can have sex with 100 men.

And apparently, according to Meta and all the other, it's completely fine. And you're just like, what? Yeah.

I just think, look, this isn't about their pleasure. I think everyone has to understand that this isn't about their pleasure. They're marketing their account to their audience and they're getting them, which is men.

Suzie: Who don't care about the pleasure 100%.

Mel: Men who want to shove it in a hole and who just want to see her. They want to have sex with her, because then they're gonna go and watch her and think, I had sex with her.

Like, I was there. And then that's an added weird fuckery thing in there. But it's. I think it's just. I think what has grossed so many people out is how mainstream this has been.

So if it was just like, you know, like, for example, X is a place where a lot of **** stars have always advertised because X, you know, like, it's much more liberal with a lot of its wording and stuff.

And, you know, if you know where to go and that's what you want to go and do, that's fine. But the whole rest of the world doesn't see it. Right?

Yeah, it's a bit like Onlyfans. If you have. If you have an account and you go on and you subscribe to whomever, well, that's fine. You're doing that. The rest of the world doesn't see it.

Right. But they have literally brought this completely into the mainstream. I mean, you know, I've seen Bonnie Blue on a show called this Morning in the uk, which is the national, like, morning TV show.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: She's on that, for goodness sake. So it's completely been made mainstream, which is why everyone's piled into the argument, sort of forgetting why they're doing it in the first place. But I think before, everything was kind of in its lane.

And this has become like, everyone's seen it, and we're just like. And of course, I think a lot of mothers, because I think particularly one of them talks about having sex with, you know, men who are quite young but legal.

Well, she uses terms. I don't really want to repeat them, but. And so obviously, mothers are just like, holy ****, you know, I have sons. And what are they learning about what.

What are they learning about women? And I think that's concerning because a lot of conversation around **** is this one side that it's entertainment and lots of people and the vast majority of people watch ****.

They pretend they're not watching ****. And then a lot of people say there's too much **** because obviously, you know, you can get it everywhere now. And that young boys watch, you know, pornhub and all these other things, and it's just so easy to access.

Suzie: I mean, the parent thing is kind of a weird argument for me because I'm like, it's the parent's job to educate your children. If you don't want. Like, there are ways that you should be talking to your kid.

They shouldn't be learning everything from TikTok and Instagram. If they are, that's 100% on the parent, in my opinion. Obviously, I'm not a parent, so I don't know. But, like, it's.

It's hard. It's because it's the same argument as, like, when Britney Spears first came out and every parent of a little girl was like, you're such a bad influence for my little girl.

And she's like, you know, then don't let her watch it. Like, what are you ******* talking. It's not my fault.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: So, like, that's an interesting argument that I don't know if I agree with, but I do agree that these. Yeah, these. These girls are putting this into the world, that this is okay and it's.

I mean, it's okay for them, but men have to know that, like, women's pleasure exists. And it is important when it. In terms of, like, a sex.

Sex in general, you know?

Mel: Yeah. I mean, it doesn't. So I'm just looking at some stuff about them is it doesn't present a healthy or anything about that. And I think this whole argument about, you know, my body, my choice, obviously that's, you know, a lot also to do the abortion laws in the United States.

But the point of that was really that you as a woman Today, in 20, 24. It's up to you who.

How you have a relationship. And as a man as well, it's up to you what you do and how many people you sleep with. That's completely up to you. And it is nobody's business.

Which I think is absolutely correct. You have one partner, 10 partners, you know, whatever. But this is like, com. I think what's disturbing people is because it is totally trivializing sex, which, you know, in our recent episode, we talked with Dr.

Bastian, and we're talking about how important sexual health is to your mental health and your physical health and all of that. This is completely making it to be this kind of gross, transactional thing.

There is no representation of female pleasure here at all. This is just about the man literally getting his rocks off for a minute or whatever he's got, which is what women have fought against for a long time.

And to be fair, also, men have tried to say, no, most of us are not like this. Most men who enjoy seeing women having pleasure. And most men. And we've talked about this.

The whole enjoyment of sex is to see that you can make a woman.

Yeah. But feel great about herself. You know? And this is not.

Suzie: This is not that. It's the opposite.

Mel: The ultimate seedy, gross thing. And that's why everyone has a problem with it.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: But it is. They are. And I think the other thing that a lot of people have a problem with is like, oh, my God, if this is what you have to do to market your only fans account.

What.

Suzie: I know. Completely turned off about it.

Mel: Yeah. Where are we going with this? Because, you know, like we said to me, onlyfans, or like, talking about the cam girls. The great thing was they're behind the screen. Nobody's touching them.

There's no violence. There's no danger. They're doing whatever. You're getting money. Everyone's winning, but nobody's. There's no. We're not meeting in real life.

And this is, like, taken it from behind the camera into real life.

Suzie: Yeah, I know.

Mel: And I think that's what's disturbing people. And into a real setting that is not a nice setting. So it's making. It's also making men look pretty horrible. This is a hundred men out of however many men.

And it's making men look bad. Right. And it's making. It's not doing anything for.

Suzie: That's. Well, I think it's just not doing anything good for anyone.

Mel: No.

Suzie: At this point.

Mel: No.

Suzie: It's like, what do these men get for one second of no idea. It's just like you could have actually good sex with someone if you just tried a little bit harder and sign up for this weird gross thing.

I don't know.

Mel: Yeah. And what does it say about. Anyway. So, yeah, I mean we, we just want. I. I thought it was an interesting thing because it's been going on and people have been like raging about it and then very recently it's become more intense because this other woman, Lily Phillips, has sort of come into the thing after Bonnie Blue and I haven't watched it but there's a documentary or something in the UK and it's just like.

I think everyone's just like what has the world like what is going on?

Suzie: Yeah. I think, I mean to sum it all up if we can.

I don't know if we're able to but I mean some of, some of it it's like just remember guys and girls, that pleasure should be for both parties.

Hopefully you're into that.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Right. The best sex I've ever had is when I am interested in my partner's orgasm and he's interested in mine. Obviously that's. I mean, yes, obviously, but also if this is happening, maybe not so obvious.

Right? Like.

Mel: No, I agreed. Yeah.

Suzie: But like that's, that's the truth. Like if you are so happy to make your partner happy and then the same it's going to be such a. More like a better experience.

And especially if you know that everything is safe and healthy and there's no possible other bodily fluids happening. Like it's just like. Just be safe out there. Don't make a rash decision.

Obviously this is a very interesting weird niche topic happening right now. Maybe in a week. We don't even know what the **** is going on. Right. But yeah, it's crazy.

We want to know your guys opinion, what you guys think about this. Maybe you guys were one of these 100 guys listening.

Mel: Well, Lily Phillips has got to sleep with a thousand men.

Suzie: Oh great. So I don't want to give her any more like you know, she doesn't want public.

Mel: Say the name again.

Suzie: Publication. I'm just like, I'm over these ******* girls. I'm like, you guys like we can do better than this. That it really fudgeing ****** me off to be honest.

But we have a little tea today.

Mel: We do.

Suzie: Right Mel? So I want you to tell us what's the tea?

Mel: Well, the tea is kind of does follow on from this. I wanted to share some of our comments.

Suzie: Oh God, me and I, I just think so Most of our comments are on YouTube, right?

Mel: Most of them, yeah. It gets a lot more, you know, people get a lot more excited.

Suzie: Men get a lot of excitement off YouTube.

Mel: They didn't.

Suzie: Gentlemen.

Mel: But. So this is just from a short we posted, and it was from our episode about cougars and toy boys.

And we were just talking about. And this is short, so it's obviously short. And it's just. We were talking about how women today, when they're in their 50s, look a lot younger.

Because compared to sort of 30 years ago, the sort of Golden Girls kind of idea. Like today, you know, you can, you know, you're not sort of forced to have sort of frumpy clothes.

Suzie: Yeah, go watch the. Go watch or listen to the episode, guys.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, you know, we look. We're. We're looking to be Jennifer Lopez now. Not, you know, so, you know, women look younger. And the episode was about older women and younger men.

Right. Anyway, so we just said, you know, like, 50s aren't becoming the new 40s. And. Because that's what's a lot. A lot of people say, I'd like to say in the episode and in the short, because obviously I am the person over 50 in this, is that at no point did I say I wanted to be young.

And I've never said that, and I would never say that. And I'm fully cognizant of the fact that I don't look 25. So don't. You don't have to come for me.

But anyway, one, I'm assuming, Gentleman said that 50 is not the new 40, and he's entitled to his opinion.

Suzie: Mad about it.

Mel: And he said, and, you know, this does sort of lead into what we've just been talking about and where some gentlemen have their minds. We need more mothers and women leaders teaching the next generation.

I'm like, okay, you know, whatever. Okay, whatever. But then it's the next bit that I'm just like, okay. He said, we don't need old women trying to still be whores.

And I have to say, I did find it extremely amusing.

Suzie: It kind of is funny.

Mel: And it's funny. And then, you know, we had a little back and forth with this gentleman.

Suzie: And he might be listening now.

Mel: He might be. And I really hope you are, because.

Suzie: You know, I don't know, women over 50 can still be a *****. And that's fine.

Mel: And that's basically what I said. And I mean, you know, he's entitled to his opinion. I just. He can say whatever he likes.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And I.

Because I did respond to this is that I said, you know, we had a few comments and then I said, but women over 50 are not old and it's really their business, not yours, what they do in their private lives.

And I don't think that's very, you know, contentious. And then he told me, you are old. So I assume he was saying to me, maybe, maybe generically women over 50 are old.

He said, I'm 41, I'm old, I have a six pack. But I don't pretend or think I'm still a good a young buck. Face reality. And I just thought the thing that I thought was kind of funny in it is the necessity.

Suzie: Women in their 50s love sex, still have a sex life.

Mel: Exactly.

Suzie: But what are you trying to say?

Mel: The necessity to put people down, which I thought was kind of interesting. Like, what is the point of that? And you know, all we were saying is that women in their 50s and 60s you know, present it, you know, when we thank God finally getting those images in the media.

Yeah, are look great. They don't look 25, which is fine, they don't look 30, but they look great and have relationships and they've got, you know, have sex lives and whatever.

And, and this is all very normal.

Suzie: Do you think if a woman, do you think of a woman, like if these two girls we just spoke about were in their 40s and 50s, would we have a different conversation about this?

Because they have their whole lives ahead of them.

Mel: Yeah, probably.

Suzie: Would we, if they were 50 and 40 would be like, ah, these old, like what would it be?

Mel: That's funny because I absolutely detest the word *****.

Suzie: I know you do.

Mel: I can't stand it. And what troubles me is if this guy wants to say you're old when you're 50. Okay, you're clearly not young. I just, to me old is like 80, you know, and I think you can live a very long Life.

And you're 50.

Suzie: Well, you're like middle aged, right?

Mel: Like very happily middle aged in the middle of life.

Suzie: Literally the like you have everything at your fingertips.

Mel: I like to say to this gentleman, all my family members live to a very old age. So I've got another 50 years.

Suzie: Maybe this guy's only got five years left, that's why he's mad about it.

Mel: But you know, I just, okay, we can argue about whether you're young or whatever, but to then go to ***** is what troubles me. Because you want to have sex, that makes you a *****.

What does that make anyway? Whatever. But anyway, that Was. I just thought that was kind of amusing. And so going back to these girls, I think the reason we're troubled is because they're both really pretty.

They're 25 years old.

Suzie: Well, if they were ugly, would we be talking about other things too?

Mel: Well, I suppose that's the complete contradiction. And you know, like, if these were.

Suzie: Ugly women and we're just like, okay, do your thing girl, get yours. Good for you. Would we be having a different conversation? Is it because that they are like pretty and they have their whole lives ahead of them and we think that they're smarter than this?

Mel: Oh yeah, I think that's a huge part of it.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Which is, which makes it all the more disturbing.

Suzie: Yeah. Like if these women were 50, 40, I'd be like, good for you girls. Maybe. I don't know.

Mel: I don't know. Because it's like I say like, you've.

Suzie: Had your whole life to like, to have the, to reach the maturity level of like, this is actually something that you are like, okay doing for your life. It's like at early 20s, you don't, you, you don't know, you know, like, yeah, 100.

Mel: And I think don't know the consequences. The reason that disturbed us is we saw this clip earlier today. I was showing you, or maybe my husband was showing you about this, this famous divorce lawyer who is Steve Bartlett.

And he tells the story of this 90 year old man who left his wife that he'd been married to for like 70 years and went off with a young woman like myself of 50 something.

Yeah, the *****.

And, and the divorce lawyer said he was so troubled by it because he's like, this man is 90 and he's still being led by his ****. And that he thought, he thought and he said it troubled him.

Cause he thought, I guess he'd had issues with that. And he's like, I thought that by that age you would like, you know, you wouldn't be doing that. And I think that's the problem with these two women is that men are largely ruled by a different head.

And these two women, these men are.

Suzie: Not thinking about the consequences of these actions. They're just signing up for something fun. It's like going on a roller coaster ride. But they're proving two seconds of fun.

Mel: They're breaking the point that men need to, you know, think with their dicks. Exactly.

So there you go. That's what I have to say on all of that. There's no conclusion. We're just like everyone a little bit.

Suzie: Like, I just it makes us feel better to talk about this stuff. I hope you guys feel the same way.

It's because it's. It's fair. So I find this very disturbing in a lot of ways. I wish it was just more about the girls and less about the guys. I think that's what's really bothering me.

I want to know what if it's bothering you guys too, or do you. Are you like, on the pro women, like, they can do whatever the they want with their bodies or are you in a.

Maybe they should be double thinking about that.

Mel: But it doesn't sell. The only thing that sells is beautiful young women and men want to have sex with them. That's why it's working.

Suzie: Yeah, but women can own their own pleasure.

Mel: Yeah, I know, but that's not what they're selling.

Suzie: No, but. I know, but that sells too. That's also what I'm saying.

Mel: Yeah, but not in this context. That's why it troubles us because they're very attractive and obviously men want to have sex with them because that's what men do. And that's completely normal.

And it's like proving all these things that we don't want to be the truth. Yeah, and. And sex sells. And it's only sex sells.

Suzie: But I'm against what this is selling.

Mel: She's against it.

Suzie: I'm against it. I guess I figured that out.

Mel: She's made her point.

Suzie: God **** it. Okay. Well, guys, fabulous chat with you.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Mel, as always, darling.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie: And we'll see you later.

Mel: We will.

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