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Mel: Hey, babes. Hello, darling. How are you? Fabulous.

Suzie : Colorful. You're looking very 70s.

Mel: Am I?

Suzie : Well, 70s hot mom right now. Like, you know, like that 70s. So like Kitty.

Mel: No. Okay.

Suzie : I don't know how hot she was, but she was like, you know, the hot, like. Oh, no, there was another hot mom anyways. Hot somebody's mom.

Mel: What's hilarious?

Suzie : What's the celebrity of, of like the 70s? Farrah Fawcett.

Mel: Oh, yeah.

Suzie : Something that Farrah Fawcett would wear.

Mel: Oh, really? Hilarious.

Suzie : 100.

Mel: I was a bit young. I was born in the 70s, Susan.

Suzie : Yes, of course I was young. I know you are young right now.

Mel: But a 70s, that's hilarious. But yeah, well, you know, my age, I don't really give a. I like it. So I'm wearing it.

Suzie : I love that.

Mel: Yeah. I mean at this point it, Yeah.

Suzie : I have a little story for the pod.

Mel: It is a quickie.

Suzie : It's a quickie little story. It's a ship story. I went out this weekend.

Mel: You did.

Suzie : And had a little fun with my friends like all weekends. Hopefully I went out with my friends which was very nice and very fun.

I,

we, you know, we were at this kind of like pub bar that we like to go to sometimes and there's this cute little group of guys that were across from us.

So we made friends as one does.

Mel: Well, why are you going out?

Suzie : No, exactly. They looked a little younger than us might, you know, my friends are like in our 30s.

Young 30s.

And they were like late 20s, mid-20s,

whatever.

And there was this one guy who was very cute. They were all very Cute. They all looked like they were like private school kids from California. Like, that's what they were.

They're adorable. Yeah, adorable.

And one of the guys we were like, noticing, we're like, is he okay? Like, he literally had a gash in his face and then like,

like stitches in his neck.

And we're like, did he like. Because he kind of looked like a super surfer, like, skateboarder kind of guy.

Mel: He'd been eaten by a shark.

Suzie : We were like, did you get eaten by a shark? Or like, did you like, fall off your skateboard kind of thing? Like, it was just like a. It was like a, like an interesting inj.

Mel: It looks fresh is what you said.

Suzie : It looked fresh.

And so we made friends with these guys because they seem nice and they told us what happened. So this,

they were at this bar where we frequent too, just like on the main street in Toronto. And this girl that they were talking to at the bar,

she asked them to save her seat.

And this guy comes and he just like sits down and they're like, hey, this girl's sitting there or whatever,

and the guy gets in a rage and decides to stab this nice surfer guy in the fucking neck with like a glass or like a pitcher or something.

And thankfully one of the,

the other guys who was there, it was like the same group.

Like, his dad's a surgeon or something like that, so he like, knew like, to put like napkins and pressure on them. And then thankfully he's fine. He went to the hospital.

And thankfully the also got. The guy's in jail, thank God. But this all happened and.

And he still came out the next day.

Mel: Yeah, I think that's, that's, that's talk about getting back on the horse.

Suzie : I was like, holy shit. And we are all like,

like, in shock because we go to this, this bar, right? And we're like, this is insane that this happened to you. And obviously they're still kind of in shock too,

but they're also just like.

Mel: Whatever, let's get on.

Suzie : Whatever, let's. Let's go for a. Let's go for a pint at the pub. Like, it was insane.

But he was very cute and obviously I ended up making out with him.

Mel: Obviously.

Suzie : But another thing,

this is just a side note. He kept on calling me mommy and I was like, are you saying mammy, like ma ami or are you saying mommy?

He's like, well, which one do you like more? And I was like,

neither.

And I was like, oh, my God, I'm old. When the 26 year olds are calling me mommy. And I was like.

I was like, I can't call you like that. Like, now. It just so. That kind of like, ruined my night.

Anyways, he was very cute, and I. I was like, you know, you obviously are on some kind of painkillers because you're acting crazy. I'm not old enough to be your mother.

Now sit down, young man.

Mel: Sit down and behave. Behave. And.

Suzie : Yeah, give me those lips. But it was very cute. And I. If you're listening, I hope you're okay.

Mel: That's fine.

Suzie : Okay, well, yeah, that's another story.

Mel: That's another.

Suzie : Another whole thing. But here's where we get into the topic for today.

Mel: Yes, in.

Suzie : If he was a woman who had gotten stabbed at the club on the face, would you go out the next day? No.

Mel: I'd be in hiding.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: For, like, three to six months.

Suzie : Absolutely.

Mel: I mean, number one, I'd be.

You'd be trauma. I mean, you have a gash on your. It's like the worst. Right?

Like, you have a spot. It's the worst. I mean, imagine being. I mean, it's awful.

Suzie : If I get a pimple, I don't want to go out.

Mel: No, me neither. No, no, no. Right.

Suzie : So here's the thing. Like, men, they don't do Botox. Really.

Mel: They someday.

Suzie : Well, here's the thing. So, like, most don't do Botox. No, most don't do any skincare routine thing. Most use three in one. Shampoo, body wash, conditioner.

Mel: You talk about my husband.

Suzie : Yes, I am. And all other men,

like, they do not have to do much or anything to get a woman's attention. Especially if they're already, like,

you know, let's say, like, conventionally attractive or, like, just, like, have a nice face or a nice personality. Have a haircut. Yeah, they gotta have a haircut. And maybe shave, maybe just keep it trim.

But like, in the major, like, you don't gotta do much, right?

Mel: No.

Suzie : And the fact that women and we. I'm not saying we have to,

but it's just a crazy,

like, comparison of, like, the amount of stuff women do to, like, get a man's attention. Even though we probably don't even have to. But, like, we feel like we do.

And, like, we get the Botox, we get the injections, we get the laser, we get the waxing, we get the mascara, we get that. It's just like, it's literally the nails, like, it's ongoing.

It's. It doesn't stop, actually.

Mel: No, it doesn't. And. And it's funny because men often.

That was a situation the other day we're commenting about somebody.

It wasn't my husband or somebody else friend of his and like, oh, you know, she's very natural. Just like kidding me. She's had hundreds, thousands of dollars worth of work.

It's like, oh, really? Yes. Yeah. You can't look like that. Yes.

And that is always amazing to me. But no, they don't. And it. And the thing is,

we find it kind of off putting as women. Like, if you go, if you're. There's a line for men, isn't there? Yes. Like if you do a little, like you've talked about this in other episodes where you're like, you know, could you just at least wash your face and put some moisturizer on and have a hair minimum,

bare minimum. Like there's a line.

But if you kind of slightly even, itty bitty, cross the line, then you're weird.

Suzie : Well, I don't want a man who has had Botox and lip injections, like.

Mel: And he's into that. Well, no, because a. It says you're as a man, not as a woman. And this is a hypocrisy. But you know, we have the hypocrisy. The other way too is it's sort of a bit of a narcissist, aren't you?

And it's a bit weird.

Suzie : It's also just like you don't look like any. You don't look manly anymore. You look like a character.

Mel: You look weird. Yeah, you look weird. I mean, most I don't. My husband has not had Botox. None of his friends,

some of them have dyed their hair. And that I.

That is also okay.

Suzie : But here's the thing on the subject of hair, my friend actually brought this up.

Mel: Okay.

Suzie : And this is why we're doing this episode.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Shout out to you, baby. Is men, should they. If they are balding and they have the means, should they go get a hair transplant?

Mel: Would you like me to answer?

Suzie : Of course.

Mel: So I think it's individual.

So I don't personally have never got the ick by balding because you do get the ick by sort of excessive comb over things.

So if you are balding, just own it. You know, either shave, shave it or whatever,

just own it.

Or go to a good hairdresser who can do things but own it.

But I think it's individual if it makes you as a man feel really, really self conscious, a bit like women in their boobs or whatever.

If it makes you feel really self conscious and you really,

you're sort of slightly traumatized by it, then. Yeah. I think you should just do whatever you want to do.

I don't think you should necessarily do it because you think all women need that. No, but I mean, does it make a difference?

Yeah, for sure it does make a difference.

Suzie : But women do so much shit. Can't they just do this one thing for us? Because most women like, let's be honest,

like a good head of hair on a man.

Mel: They do, yeah.

Suzie : So why don't they just do the one thing that makes them younger, more attractive?

Mel: But I just think I, I know it's a, it's a double standard, but I think that men and women, it's different for men and women.

It just is. It's double standard because beauty is. Women are about beauty, not men. Right.

And so women enhance that beauty by various things and to a degree with society, men expect women to enhance their beauty as much as they can and then according to our comments, then complain about it.

But that's another thing.

But I think it's really individual.

I think it really is up to the man. I, you know, I'm not dating, so I can't make this comment and I don't have a thing about hair.

I just think it's individual. If it makes you feel insecure and you want to do it. Like I know a bunch of, you know, men that I know who have had a transplant and they can be really, really good these days.

You can't tell.

Suzie : Or they go to Turkey and get it done and you're good in two weeks.

Mel: Jesus. Yeah, Please, please don't do that. What? Don't do that.

Suzie : That's the top capital doing it.

Mel: I know it is and it is, especially from the UK and so many horror stories.

Suzie : Oh, really?

Mel: Whatever you. Yeah. And all sorts of plastic surgery. Just if you are going to do the research, really think about this. Don't do anything rash,

make sure you know what you're doing and don't try and save money. It's not the thing to save your money on, I'm afraid. But I just think it's individual for a man.

I mean, if a man has confidence and, you know,

it doesn't necessarily matter. But the thing about bolding is, I think it's more if you start bolding when you're really young,

like if you're in your 40s, your 50s, 15, yeah, who cares, right. 30s, late 30s. But if you're sort of starting in your 20s,

I can imagine that is very Hard,

because it does make you look older. And it's the same.

You know, actually, I. I know two friends, or not sort of very close friends who've got alopecia. You know, when you lose your hair.

Suzie : Really like alopecia.

Mel: Alopecia. Oh, my God.

It's. It's. It's so traumatizing. And I think that it's probably very difficult if you're a man in your 20s and you're very wound up about it and you've lost your hair and let's say your friends all have hair and that kind of thing.

But I just. I think it's individual. If you want to do it, if it's going to make you feel better as a man and it's going to make you feel that you can approach women,

then do it. But I don't think you should feel you have to do it. But I think the same with women.

If you don't want to do Botox or whatever the hell it is, highlights, do your boobs, whatever it is, I think you should do what you want to do. Right.

But you. But a caveat this is you will have to accept that it. By not doing it, there will be women who will not be attracted to you.

Suzie : I. I was just gonna say that.

Mel: So if you're. If you're more interested in kind of being you, it's a bit like women nowadays. There's this trend of women having gray hair that I take great.

I will be in my coffin and my hair will be highlighted. I will never have gray hair.

It's just my thing. It's my shtick. I do not want. I think it's very aging. I think that. Personally, I don't like it. But if you want to have gray hair and you like it, and you don't like going to the hairdresser, you do, you,

however,

there are consequences. You look older, even if your face is amazing. Gray hair makes you look old.

And there's a consequence in the job, in the. In your job, because people, you know, judge you for that. And there will be consequences in personal,

intimate relationships. Yeah. So if you're happy with it and you don't give a shit about the consequences,

totally fine.

But I think if you are a young man or a youngish man, let's say you're in your 30s, early 40s, and you're dating and you know, you're out there on the scene, then except if you don't do it,

that there will be a lot of women.

Unless, quite frankly, because somebody is going to say this in the comments, you're a billionaire, in which case it doesn't matter. Look at Jeff Bezos.

Suzie : Well, exactly. And he doesn't give a shit.

Mel: No.

Suzie : So I'm dating this guy who has a hair transplant.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : And he got it done in Turkey.

Mel: Oh, he did. He did. Good. I'm glad.

Suzie : And I'm assuming it went. I didn't know him before he got it done, so.

Mel: Have you seen it before and after?

Suzie : I haven't really seen it before and after because I didn't know him at that time and he didn't show. I didn't ask,

but that would be weird. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Mel: Not.

Suzie : Not yet, but.

So we went. He went to Turkey, he got it done. This was like six months ago or something like that. And I remember when I first met him because he would always wear a hat.

And so when we, like, first, like, hooked up or whatever, he, like, took his hat off.

And I, like, noticed that he was like. It looked like he was balding almost.

And.

But he kept on. He kept hair. And I was like. And think, like, I was just thinking to myself, I was like, maybe, like. I was like, why doesn't he just shave his head to be bald?

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just like. I was like, cut it. You know, it kind of.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Gut your losses. And then he said, like. He was like, reading my mind or something. He, like, said, oh, like, if you notice my hair, like, I actually just got a hair transplant.

It's, like, growing in. I was like, oh, interesting.

You. Because you can see it does obviously look a certain way,

AKA not great for the first, like, let's say four or five months after you get it done and you take care of it. You take something like finasteride or whatever it's called.

Like, you do things to take care of yourself with it. And you did, you know, just take care of it. Because you just got a procedure done,

but now six months or something later, you can't tell. Well, it looks good, but it takes, like, a full year for, like, everything to. Everything's supposed to come in.

Mel: Is it uncomfortable? Did he say the procedure? I don't know.

Suzie : Oh, yeah. Well, it's like 12 hours. You're sitting there awake.

Mel: Oh, my God.

Suzie : And what are they doing? What do they do? I think it's like it's numb or something, but you can still feel it.

But it's like they take the hairs from the back of the head because those are the ones that'll stay. And it'll keep regrowing.

Yeah, I do. And then they put them in the front of the head and they also take some beard hairs, which are the ones that really hurt. He said,

right. And what do they do?

Mel: So.

Suzie : And then they, they like somehow like put the follicles back in. I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but yeah,

like, you know. Did you know I was a doctor?

No, I'm not a doctor in Turkey and I don't do this every day, but yeah, so I.

Mel: Comfortable, gentlemen.

Suzie : It's a very common procedure.

Men do it every fucking day. Lots and lots of men. If you cannot afford the local spot in wherever you are and you do your research and you go to Turkey because apparently it's like luxurious.

Mel: Oh yeah, it's a whole, it's a, it's a place.

Suzie : But just do your research into like, don't get the cheapest one obviously. But like it. If it's. I'm just saying like if it's, if it's something you. That is self conscious to you and you want to do it and you want to do it because you want women to look at you in a certain way.

Because we will.

We do like hair more like, what are we going to say about that?

Mel: There's no doubt about that. Yeah,

it's like, you know, you're gonna look at a woman with, you know, long legs and big boobs versus, I mean there's only so much you can do about legs. But actually you can get this procedure to get taller.

But anyway, that's the whole thing.

Suzie : She breaks her knees or something like that.

Mel: It's horrible. It's horrible.

But yeah, it is a double standard that.

And I think the thing about men, cause that's what we're talking about is this line of what is too much like self care.

Right?

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: So. And I think there is too much because I think particularly for men, because that is.

And that hasn't changed and that is very old fashioned is that men are supposed to be kind of secure and not be narcissistic about their parents and all this kind of stuff.

And they're not supposed to have 50,000 potions and all this.

That's the woman's domain. And that is very old fashioned. And so it is crazy modern women having that view of men when you're like, oh, I thought we were meant to be equal and all this sort of stuff.

Right. But it's kind of not really, is it?

Suzie : Yeah,

I do like when a man takes care of his skin and not in like a, an insane way of just like having a million things. Like I have a million things, but like understanding that he should wash his face not with three in one shampoo, but like wash his face with face wash and moisturize it with face moisturizer and even using like a vitamin C,

like wanting to look his best.

Yeah, I really appreciate that much more than I would if he was like, I don't want to fucking do that because it's girly. Like, shut the fuck up and wash your face.

Mel: Yeah. Okay,

so where are we going to? I. I think I know you have dated some 50 year old men, but generally 50 year old men do not, not do these things.

Right? And they, they don't.

And there are the ones who are lucky.

Suzie : What do you mean don't do these things? They don't wash their face.

Mel: Well,

look, like my husband's view is he does have a face wash, which to be honest, it probably took me a very long time. I think I remember when I first met him, he used the shampoo and I'm like, I could clean the bath with this.

Suzie : Like, we're not doing that anymore.

Mel: Oh,

I just, I've given up. Like, he has a shampoo and his hair's fine and he has face wash, but I wash. But I. It's not face wash. I would buy.

Like, it's not like fancy. He.

Suzie : The only thing he's saying he doesn't use your products. No, because I would just let my man use my products.

Mel: No. Wow.

Suzie : I just be like, here you go, this is what you're using. And I promise you it's gonna fucking fix whatever's happening here.

Mel: Doesn't touch my products.

Suzie : That's so funny. He's not even interested.

Mel: Be like, not at all. Not really.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Not even a.

The only thing he does like is, and I'm a very nice wife is hand. Like,

I massage his hands every night.

I massage his hands with hand cream. But even then I used to use Clarin's hand cream. I can't speak, which is quite nice. And he's like, I don't need that in Spain.

Jesus Christ. I don't need that expensive shit on me. Right? So I have the expensive shit. I use it. But that's what his thing. He just not in. He's very lucky.

Yeah. Genetically.

Yeah. He has this very good skin. Like, he's got this very olive, like,

I don't know.

Suzie : He's got great skin.

Mel: No wrinkles.

Suzie : Most men have great skin.

Mel: Yeah, he does. Yeah. But yes, they do like they just.

Suzie : They don't do anything with it.

Mel: It's annoying.

Suzie : It's so annoying. They don't do anything with it. And maybe that's because they have great skin. Like, you know,

it's a whole fucked up thing. Like they never washed it.

Mel: It's not.

Suzie : Don't put moisturizer on it.

Mel: I do get on his case about. I do facials.

Suzie : When you see. Look, gentlemen, if you're not looking in the mirror closely, blackheads do women.

Because we know to look for these things for ourself.

Women see blackheads and you'll see them in your nose and they're really easy to get rid of if you just wash and scrub your face.

Mel: Well, yeah, but there's a level. Like when I first met my husband, I got to that comfort point and I was like, okay, I gotta do something about your nose.

And I gave him a whole like facial and blackhead removal and masks and stuff, which I do do periodically.

I still do it because when it really annoys me. Yeah, but it's.

Yeah, he doesn't have enough of. And he's like somebody. Like he has. Why are we talking about his face? But he has quite a lot,

quite a lot of oil in his face. Right. Which means he has literally no wrinkles. It's really fucking annoying. He has a few lines, but really no wrinkles. Right.

Because he has oily skin. But the oily skin does mean you get more blackheads. Right? Yeah.

Suzie : You have to just be. Just because women know about these things, we want to just see that you are washing your face and taking care of yourself. You don't have to have a whole 5,700 products that you're using.

It's just like literally face wash that you can get at shoppers or any kind of drug mart that you're using face wash.

Mel: But it's not. Does he use moisturizer?

Suzie : No.

Mel: Why? Because I've tried and he's not interested. He does. He's a little bit better with his hair.

Suzie : If a man has dry skin, it really fucking bothers me.

Mel: He's never had dry skin in his life.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: So he's fine. Even sunscreen. I've had to battle through the years, like, this is why you're red.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Put the sunscreen. But I have like a child. I have to like.

Suzie : You have to put it on for him, you know?

Mel: Yeah. I think that's mostly slather him up.

Suzie : But I think I. And it's. I don't even think it's the problem. That women,

that men,

they don't have the knowledge. I don't think they're supposed to have the knowledge of it. I think it's just like when they come into a relationship or they're looking to date younger women or not younger, but like, you know, women who are very nice to their own skin and stuff like that,

then you have to kind of just take note of being like, oh, maybe I should start doing this, or like, asking your nice female friends questions about things. And like, yeah, you know, it's.

It's not a weird thing anymore for a man to take care of his skin or his face or his hair. It's actually super sexy and women notice it and it, like, looks.

You just. You look. You're glowing.

Mel: Yeah. You glow and. And that. The thing. The other thing, though, for men, and even as they age, they need to do very, very little. Yes. They just literally do need a face wash,

maybe some kind of moisture. But least please use some sunscreen.

Suzie : But this is what we're actually talking about.

Mel: It's. It's the fact that some hair products, a little bit like, like, like, not even. I probably have a hundred products.

Suzie : We have 5,000 products that we fucking need to use. You know, the men don't even want to do the bare minimum for us.

We and younger women. And maybe you are way more understanding to this male. I don't give a shit about my routine.

Hygiene. Even though you're very hygienic. So this is why this is weird to me.

Mel: No, well, my head. That's the thing where he's always. Hygiene. No, Hygienic.

Suzie : Hygienic.

Mel: In London terms, very. No, that's not the issue. It's like the primping.

He's not so, like, into the primping, the moisture. But I've tried over the years. And to be honest, where we are today is 30 years in.

So I've got to a point. The thing about.

I think if you're with somebody, like, in my case, like,

my husband wouldn't give a shit what he was wearing. He doesn't give a shit. He's not interested in material stuff. He just is not interested.

But I like it when we're like, we're going out for dinner on Sunday. It's our wedding anniversary on Monday.

Suzie : Oh, and how many years?

Mel: Well, married, not together is 24.

Suzie : So cute.

Mel: And together we'll be 30 next year.

Suzie : Met in nineteen oh, 94.

Mel: Six.

Suzie : Six.

Mel: Anyway. What. It's whatever, 20. 26 will be 30 years because we met in 1996. And that's next year.

Suzie : That's so sweet.

Mel: Right? Anyway, in those number ranges, let's not get too adorable. What the was I talking about?

Suzie : So, yeah, you've heard.

Mel: What he wears.

So when he goes. He knows I like him to wear a shirt. He buys a shirt.

But I mean, nice shirts. Gets his shirts for specific stores. I like him to wear certain shirt and then, you know, nice pair of, like,

pants and like,

I just. It looks. He looks really nice. It looks very different.

And he. But he's doing that for me. He's not really interested that much. I mean, he'd probably walk around in a T shirt that was advertising Heineken or something. Or, like, he just wouldn't care.

When I first met him, it was like, oh, dear God, Dear God, we're gonna have to do something here. So, you know, we started with the basics,

but on the other hand,

he, you know, to sing his phrases. He isn't materialistic.

He wants me to have the things. That's nice. He's like, I don't need the things. I'm not really interested.

I want you to have the. I mean, the standing joke in our house is he has two daughters. He has me, but he's like, you are.

I've never met anyone with so many creams. Yeah, you like your creams? I have them. You're a creamy girl for every inch of my body. Yeah. Like, there was a token belly button cream.

That's something I have. You know what?

Suzie : Maybe we'll get that.

Mel: Yeah, look at that.

Suzie : For you.

Mel: It's not a problem area yet. Yet.

Suzie : Dry belly button.

Mel: It could be. Yeah.

But,

yeah, I mean, I do think there is an. Is a kind of millennial Gen Z thing about it because of, like, the rise of Sephora and social media,

that people are also uber obsessed with skincare. Like, I've always loved skincare.

I've lived many, many years in.

In France, and France is, like, amazing for skincare. But I have lots of my friends who are not interested in skincare,

would never do Botox or any kind of treatments, are not particularly interested in makeup.

So it isn't like. Not everybody.

I think not all women are into them skincare.

Suzie : It's the fact that, like, I go and spend thousands of dollars getting lasered.

Mel: Yes, well, I've had that, too. Well, yes, but lots of women.

Suzie : Okay, but can I tell you.

Mel: Can I tell you something which I'm gonna hate? So why am I gonna hate it?

Suzie : No, because literally, I've spoken to two men and When I tell them I've gotten lasered.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : They're like, why would you do that? Like, what if you want a bush back? Because they like a little bit of bush.

Mel: Yes, I know, but the bush is coming back. I know, but I don't care.

Suzie : No, I don't care either. I would way rather be bare when.

Mel: When you've gone without the bush.

Suzie : It's incredible.

Mel: There's no going back.

Suzie : Why do I want the bush back?

Mel: There's horrible men.

Suzie : Why do we, like, why do we like that? Like, just. You know what? I get it. It's like very maybe like prepubescent or something like that.

Mel: Yeah. But it's clean.

Suzie : It's just nice and it's smooth and it's easy to deal with that. It's sexy.

I mean, I just don't have to deal with it.

And then you may have a bad bush day or something.

Mel: What the is a bad.

Suzie : You know, the hair is going up and the hair is going down and it's looking a little weird, and maybe the landing strip isn't landing.

Mel: Oh, yeah.

Suzie : You know what I mean? But men. Should men have like, back lasers?

Mel: Yeah, why not? Right?

Suzie : So, like. But should we expect. I think this is the difference. This is my question, my darling.

Mel: I know where you're going with this. I can answer all of this.

Suzie : Should women expect now the.

The lasers that men should. The. The hair transplants, the lasering of men hair and other,

like, moisturizer. Like, I think we should. I think we should be expecting these things just like. Just like men expect us to do all this.

Mel: Okay, well, I. This is where we disagree.

Suzie : Laser.

Mel: Yeah, I don't.

Suzie : Hair.

Mel: No, I. No, I don't agree at all. So we don't have a fight.

Suzie : You don't think we should expect to go?

Mel: I think that. So. So one thing I didn't add to get, like,

I. One thing I can't stand is back hair. I cannot stand it.

And so as soon as you're in a relationship, like,

you can kind of manage the things that you don't like.

And so that. That has been dealt with.

My husband. And he'll be fine to talk about that. And there are certain things I've said, no, you need to go. And I just. No, go and do this, you know, and obviously he would never do it if I didn't ask him, because he wouldn't even know what to do or where to go.

But. Oop. Sorry. But no, I don't think you can expect that. I mean, God, no. I mean, you're gonna fucking narrow the field, Susie.

Suzie : God, no. I feel like they are the ones who expect us to do literally everything to us. And they'll be like, ew, she doesn't get her pedicure. Ew, she doesn't get her nails done.

I cannot believe she,

you know,

has grays in her hair.

And it's like,

okay, that's fine. I get. I get that for sure. Because I'm a woman who wants to take care of myself in the most top, tip top shape, and I'm okay with that.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : But men, most men expect most women to do all of that.

Mel: It's a double standard.

Suzie : It's a huge double standard. I think we should be putting a little bit more pressure on men to make themselves more appealing to us. Get a girl.

Mel: Yeah. I just. I don't. I know. I don't really agree. I think. I think it's on an individual level. And you're going to go for a certain kind of man anyway, as a woman.

As a. As a man is going to go for a certain kind of woman. Like, you know, I don't like men who complain that women have hair extensions, which, you know, neither of us have, and,

you know, have fake nails and, you know, all this kind of stuff. I'm sorry, but you should know what that is. I mean, that. That kills me. Like, men who complain about it and, like,

we could actually give you a tutorial on how. How that looks, because if you don't look at a woman and know that she has. That's a hair extension. Yeah. Those nails are not grown naturally from her body with, like, things stuck to them.

Suzie : Women don't just have naturally shiny eyelids.

Mel: Yeah, they don't. Yeah, exactly. They don't have eyelashes from here to here. That is not natural.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Et cetera, et cetera. Then I'm sorry, if you're going because you like that look, you cannot then complain that's fake. Cause it is fucking fake. Yeah.

Suzie : And when they put a lot of money, they put a lot of effort and work into that shit.

Mel: Exactly. And then there are a lot of women who put a lot of work into looking very natural in that.

And men have no idea that there's a lot of work into being very natural.

And.

But I just. It is a double standard that men expect that and we don't expect that of men. But I think that if you are looking for a man who.

I mean, it's a list, Susie.

So you're looking for a man who's attractive, who's funny, who's charming, who's humorous, who has a pretty decent salary and is only going up, not down,

who's well dressed, who has got some kind of well curated small male skin care regime,

who, blah, blah, blah. I mean, for fuck's sake, this is a lot.

Suzie : This is besides the money thing, because I don't think men care how much women make.

Mel: They don't care at all.

Suzie : But this is the other thing. It's like everything you've said there.

Men care if women are doing it besides money, which is the hardest thing to do. But like, like, so we, we are expected,

we are expected women in a city environment, let's say more.

And like, just like women who we're trying to date, who are trying to attract men, who are just trying to be a person in society, a top woman in society, let's say we are expected to get our hair done, to get, have the best clothes, to get our nail,

to shave or wax or laser and you know, all of these things that cost so much money.

Mel: They do, yeah.

Suzie : So much money. And then we cannot, we can't even expect them to do the minimum of washing your face, moisturizing, shaving your back, trimming your poobs.

Mel: No, I think we're gonna have to train them. You're not.

Suzie : I agree with the training part, but.

Mel: I mean, if you exclude the men who are not doing this and the list is gon. It's going to be very small.

It really is. And it's a double standard. I'm not saying, I'm going to say it again, it's a double standard. But I think women. I think that's the other thing is there are so many double standards the other way too.

Like what? And we have to do. And you don't think there are double standards for what women?

Suzie : No, I just want you to give me an example.

Mel: Oh, God, now you're putting me on the spot. Because I'm thinking about all the, all the comments we've had about various things.

Oh, this is a double standard that a woman will often. If a man is giving her the ick and he's not attractive and he comes up to her and he's not attractive,

then she'll be like, you give me the ick. If he is hot and comes up to her, but is equally creepy in the way he talks to you,

she'll be. Her attitude will become to you.

Suzie : If he's still creepy, I don't know.

Mel: Oh, I think it's very different if you're good looking.

It changes everything. If you're like, you know, let's say relatively good looking versus big, fat, balding, creepy, sweating man. But you say the same thing.

It's a double standard. The other double standard is, you know, we talked about Jeff Bezos, so. Jeff Bezos, who I wouldn't say is a traditionally super attractive man. He's not.

He's not my cup of tea,

which I love, but he has the double standard.

He could date anybody on the planet. Billion dollars. Exactly. That's a double standard. It's like, you know, so. And it's true that women are more interested in money. Men don't care.

Yeah. Because even though that is insanely old fashioned,

we still expect the man to make more money. So even if you're making lots of money, you still expect the man to make even more, which is kind of insanely old fashioned.

But that is a double standard. Women want men who are better than them in terms of what they earn, where they are in society.

They look up.

Men don't do that. They look more at the physical. So, you know, they're not really interested in how much money you have. I mean, you know, there's that,

that sort of. It's sort of gone around urban myth about, you know, the woman who's the lawyer and then the woman who's the hot kind of doesn't have a decent job.

Who's the man gonna go for? Well, the hot woman, I mean, he doesn't give a shit whether you're a lawyer.

And I. So what I'm saying to you is there are double standards on both sides. And that is one thing about modern women not accepting that there are so many double standards from their point of view as well.

And this is where we disagree on this.

But I.

Suzie : It's the bare minimum. It's becoming the bare minimum. And because society is changing and we're accepting men to.

Mel: But I think lots of men more do it. I mean, some do,

but are you literally. Let's see, let's say you meet this great guy. Let's give you a scenario. Okay. Love a scenario.

Suzie : Role play. Love a scenario.

Mel: So you go to a bar that you do like, you have the situation and you meet a guy and he's the right age.

So let's place him 38 to 45. I think that's the right one. Yeah, he's got a good job.

Right. And he's going places in life. Yeah, we'll put him in that category. Great.

He is. Presents well.

Like he's. But he's not like,

like he's handsome or he's nice looking. Yeah.

But he's not necessarily dressed great or everything's not perfect. But he's funny, he's charming. All those things tick. But he has dry skin. Are you actually telling me you're gonna say no?

Suzie : No. But I am gonna fix that. If I become.

Mel: That's what I'm saying to you.

You're going to fix it. Cause that's what women do.

Like my husband, he's not going to mind that I said this,

had not a lot of hair, but I just. He's a hairy man, so I don't like it.

Suzie : There's a little hair on the back.

Mel: It was actually quite minimal, but I'm not into the carpet back thing, so. Exactly. Some women, but I. I take care of these things.

Suzie : Right,

but that's also only if your man is going to allow you to take care of that. As you're saying your man has not allowed you to take care of, like,

you know, all these little creamy things. Even though I know you don't say you don't care anyway.

Mel: No, no, it's not that. It's that I've pushed as much as I think is necessary. Believe me, if I thought it was really, you're picking your battles,

I would.

It would be happening. But it's like, I know what's important.

Like, I know. I know where the line is.

So it's not important.

Suzie : I think that's an interesting thing you brought up is women get the ick, right? Women get the ex so much easier than men do.

Mel: Oh, God.

Suzie : Yeah. And so. But it's.

Mel: It's like about the most ridiculous things.

Suzie : About the most ridiculous things. But it is like, if this guy had dry skin at the bar and he was like.

Mel: And I can see it. It would give you the.

Suzie : Would it give me. I don't know if it would, but would it give me the ick so much that I'd be like.

Mel: Like why?

Suzie : Like, I'd be in my head about it being like, why is he. After his skin? He looks so great. He can't take the one care of the one thing that is on his face.

Drives me insane. That. I mean, maybe that's just a per. That's a personal thing for me.

Mel: Maybe.

Suzie : Maybe that's just a very personal thing because I just. I'm very moisturized all the time and I'm just like. I just don't want. I just don't want a man who does not take care of his.

The face that you're putting Forward into the world.

Mel: Yeah, but I, yeah, I just, and.

Suzie : Now that I have had a man who has, has had a hair transplant,

why am I going to settle for a bald man if I know that this man did it?

Mel: What if it was Jeff Bezos?

Suzie : Well, it's, I mean, obviously like you just never know.

Mel: You see,

it's a double standard.

It's like women are interested and we have to be honest. Yeah, we are interested in money. We want them to be,

yes, nice, kind, funny, blah, blah, blah. But we want them to be supportive, masculine. I mean, that's a double. There's another double stand. Now you've got me.

Suzie : Yeah, let's go.

Mel: There's a double standard in the world today that women are like, I want my man to be in touch with his feelings and to be emotional, no stuff.

Yet you want him to be masculine?

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Masculine men are not in touch with their feelings. That's why they're masculine.

It's just fucking stupid. And let me tell you, my husband is very masculine, very A type.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Very assertive. You know, he's a lawyer. He's very,

and it's taken me a long time to get him to be kind of more, more in touch with his feelings.

Right. And he's done that for me and I've had to get him to get there. Right.

But he's a very masculine, very a type, very assertive. See, I really can't talk get shit ton kind of guy.

So I have to myself as a woman, get a grip and realize he's not going to be touching me.

Whatever, he's just not, otherwise he's not going to be this hard ass lawyer. How's he gonna do that?

Suzie : No, he's at work.

Mel: So, you know, so that is a massive double stand. Now you've got me going that you want really masculine men, you want them to look masculine,

to have their shit together,

to be able to go out and grab the world and do shit. Yet you want them to be all feely and it's just work,

it's stupid. It's a double standard and women are doing that. So you can't have it all. As I've said to you many times, Susie can't have your cake and eat it.

Suzie : I want it, Mel and the crumbs and the cake and the other cake. I don't want the girl popping out of it.

You want all the cakes is what you want.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with that, I think.

Mel: Oh, oh, you agree?

Suzie : Oh my God.

I, I,

there is,

this is like a Weird thing because it's like that is very much the man for you. I feel like you guys had like opposites have attracted in the best way possible with you two.

Mel: Yes. I would to not interrupt you just about.

I am a very feminine woman in the sense that I've always been very connected to that.

I mean that's. That's got nothing to do with the fact that I've always worked and all of that. But I'm very in touch with that and being a mother and all of that.

And he is very masculine.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: So in a very old fashioned way it's worked very well. Right.

And there are weird things like he cooks and I don't cook. Right. But I do all the other stuff.

Suzie : Well, yeah, you and I figured it out.

Mel: So we figured our thing out. But. Yes,

but you know, there is this thing and that is a thing on Instagram, isn't it? That drives me nuts. Women going, I'm in my feminine energy. What the fuck?

Suzie : But this is the thing.

Mel: What the fuck?

Suzie : Well, it is like you have to. I will tell you what this thing is.

Mel: Yes, I know what you're gonna say, but.

Suzie : Well,

men who are masculine but they don't have to be like,

I hate the word alpha, but like in that, like,

you know,

broody kind of like, I don't give a about feelings. Like I just wanna be a bit of a dick. You're a bit of a dick. Like, let's just be honest.

But if those men who are still love women and they want to make their women feel good,

it's kind of like the perfect balance. And like they don't have to like be emotional.

Like women are emotional, but they have to be open to the fact that women are emotional and they have to listen to us sometimes.

Mel: That's exactly it.

Suzie : Even when we're being irrational.

Mel: Ding. That's a ding, ding, ding.

Suzie : I love the dings.

Mel: That's absolutely.

Suzie : Men are logical. We know this. Women are fucking emotional. We just are. We can't help it. We have to talk about every little thing and you sometimes have to be that person that we talk to about are stupid little things that don't fucking matter very much.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : But we need. We need you to be there for us. So that's all it means. It's like men are in their masculine.

Because they are.

They take care of things. We want them to take care of things. We want them to like, be powerful and strong and like make us feel safe.

The way they make us feel safe is they let us talk to Them.

And they don't make us feel stupid or dumb or too emotional.

And they allow women to be in their feminine, in their emotional state and in their nice,

sexy. Because, like,

if you're making women too masculine, like, if you are expecting your woman to do too much of, like,

you know,

she has to work all day, and then she has to clean the house, and then she has to take care of the kids and she has to do all these things.

And, like, you're not taking care of one thing that makes her feel like some relief of some sort.

Like, get her a fucking cleaning. Clady Clean. Clady cleaning lady once a week.

Imagine the amount of more time that she will get to think about you and how to please you and how to be sexy for you if you just, like, allow her to kind of relax a little bit.

Yeah, sorry I went off there.

Mel: No, I mean, look, I could go on for hours about this. I mean. Yeah. I don't know how you want me. How do you want me to respond?

Suzie : Nothing. Oh, you're sweating at all?

Mel: No,

no. Look,

for me, personally,

my marriage works.

We're talking about me. It's becoming a bit narcissistic because I take care of a lot of shit. Yes,

I work,

but that's my choice. My husband has always said you also like to work. I like working.

Suzie : You like working.

Mel: I like working. I like feeling productive. I like. I have two daughters. I like having a positive role model for them.

I like having money that I've made.

That's who I am. And I have no judgment to anybody else. That's just me.

But for me, the number one thing is being a wife and a mother. That's the most important thing in the world to me. If everything else goes to shit in a hand bucket,

it's just my children, my husband.

But I take care of all things to do, really, with the children.

Suzie : But here's the thing.

Mel: You don't cook, but I don't cook.

Suzie : So this is the one thing it's like, let's say. Let's say you hate.

Mel: Well, I have cooked. I mean, it's a bit, but it's different.

Suzie : It's like he makes the meals of the household.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : And that's something that is like, let's say, because I hate cleaning. I will admit that I'm a messy person. I'm not like a dirty person, but I'm a messy person.

Mel: If.

Suzie : If I was with a guy and he was like,

babe, I know you hate cleaning. I'm gonna get you cleaning lady.

Like, I'M gonna get us a cleaning lady.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : For the. Like, the week.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And we'll just keep tidy and she'll do the cleaning. You don't have to worry about that. Something you hate. Yeah, it's just like, max, clean.

Mel: Like, I agree with you.

Suzie : Cooking for the family, cooking for you.

Mel: You play to your skills. So, like, in that case,

there's a little, like, too much information about me. When my kids were young and emacs are traveling all the time, of course I did cook. I cooked.

Suzie : But I'm not, like, an idiot.

Mel: No, I'm not a total. Sorry, I'll take that word back. I was gonna say very unwoke, but I don't enjoy it at all. Yeah.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: I don't find it relaxing. I don't like it. And my husband finds it very relaxing, very easy, very creative. He feels that his work situation is not creative because he's, you know, an entrepreneur and a lawyer and.

But this is creative. So that's his shtick.

And I don't find it anything. I don't look in the fridge and go, oh, there's a meal. I see. There's a piece of cheese and there's an egg. That's all I see.

That's it. I don't see anything.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: But everything else I. You know, like, he's not put on the washing machine for the entire time I've known him. Right. He hasn't ironed a shirt.

He, like, we were talking about, you know, my girls going to university. He has no idea what was on the list.

I mean, what do you mean? Like, what is a plastic hook? He wouldn't know what you were talking about, like. Or what is a. Is a. What do you mean?

A laundry? B,

like what? I don't know. He has no idea. Right. He just turned up. Great. That was it.

But that works well for us. But the point I'm making is we both put a lot into it. Absolutely. There's nobody slacking off here.

We're putting in a lot of energy, focus, effort,

and getting on with it. And neither person needs to be told, oh, you need to do this or you need to do that.

So it works.

And we're. Because we've been together long enough, we're playing to our skills and.

Yeah. I've lost the train of thought.

Suzie : No, that's okay. I think it's just the. It's the feminine.

Mel: The feminine. And so going back to that. Sorry.

Suzie : And even just, like, being in the right energy.

Mel: Yeah. So my energy is very feminine. Yeah. So People have asked me, you know,

how do I know what to. Because I didn't have a particularly good childhood. I don't have a good relationship with my parents. How do I know how to. Motherfucker.

It's just. To me, it's innate. I know what to do.

I don't know. I just know what to do. I feel it. It's an energy within me. And that might sound very weird, but it just is.

And some people don't feel that and that's fine. But this thing, I know a lot of women talk about this thing. It's like a big thing on sort of Instagram TikTok.

I'm in. I have to work to be in my feminine energy, which I do find kind of ridiculous. But I do understand that women feel, which I don't is necessarily right, that when they go into the workplace or they go into particularly work situations, they have to kind of take on this masculine,

almost masculine Persona because if they don't do it,

they won't succeed and they won't be taken seriously and so on and so forth.

Suzie : I think that is somewhat correct.

Mel: I think there's an element of truth to that. I've never actually really been like that.

But,

but I, I'm just me. Yeah, I don't, I'm not like aversion. I'm just me in a work situation.

I, I don't,

I, I'm not in a masculine energy. I'm just in my work energy, I suppose. But I, I think.

Suzie : But if you're in a masculine environment, let's say you're in finance.

Mel: I've always worked in masculine environments. Yeah, I've always, always worked almost exclusively with men. Yeah. Because if you are in. And that's another double standard. If even today you're in very kind of where I sort of work, entrepreneurial kind of environment,

small, medium sized kind of businesses,

they're men mostly. The founders are men. Almost exclusively. The men who raise the ones who raise the money, who.

They're men. It's a very male environment and I,

you know,

mostly have always worked with men.

Suzie : Well, it is weird and this is sort of going off top right now.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : But the women who I have worked for or I know that are more in their masculine energy sometimes, like they could be very off putting.

Mel: Very.

Suzie : You can. And you can tell, like you can see this, like,

you know, it's like you're.

I don't even, I don't even want to call it like a. But like you're, you're. You're being brutish or something. Like you're trying to, like,

overpower me and my feminine.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Because I'm a very feminine woman like yourself.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And like, it's like, you know, fucking do that. Like, you can succeed as a woman being a woman.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : You don't have to be a man.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Like men like us, because we're not men.

Mel: Yeah. Yeah.

Suzie : Right. Like, it's. It's an interesting.

It's a weird. It's a weird thing, but I think.

I think it's a. It's a learned behavior, though, from women who are in the workforce.

Mel: Yeah. And I think it depends what kind of job you're in. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, it is a learned behavior. A hundred percent.

Suzie : Like, women have. Women and then who are like, sort of like that,

who are kind of in this, like, overpowering state,

are much more, like,

unpleasant to be around, but like,

from the male perspective and female perspective.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : That I've actually witnessed.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, that's absolutely true. But I think it goes back to this thing where, you know, men are kind of the same person all the time and they don't have to go, well, they don't need to go into exactly,

you know.

Suzie : Is that a problem?

Mel: Well, I think it just goes back to this concept of, you know, traditional roles and all that kind of stuff is that. And that we are in this space of being very confused because women have been told for the last,

you know, since the, I guess, the 70s, that you can be everything. You can be superwoman, you can be an amazing mother, amazing wife, amazing lover,

amazing job, amazing everything.

And it's actually not true. It is extremely difficult.

You have a million different plates and you are a million different things to different people,

and it's very difficult to manage that. And we are in this.

You know, there's a great quote, and I've said it before, from a British journalist who's about my age, and she said somebody asked her, you know, can women have it all?

Right.

And she said, yes, but not all at the same time. Right. So what she meant was, you know, when your children are young, you know,

you're like, focusing more on mothering, and then you could. It's very hard to do all the things all at the same time. And that's not what society's told us.

They've told us, yeah, you can work in a corporate job from seven to seven, have four children, have a husband,

you know, blah, cook amazing meals, be dress and fabulous designer, and everything's fine. Yeah, yeah.

You can't because there are 24 hours in a day and you're going to have to pick and choose at certain points in your life. You are gonna have to. And I don't think men have to do that in the same way to be fair.

Suzie : Well, no, cause their brain works completely differently than ours.

Mel: But they don't have to because they don't have children. They don't have babies physically.

I mean, on the flip side, it's not fair that many men have to leave the home and they don't see their children because they're working a lot and they would like to see their children, but it's difficult because they're at work all the time.

So it's not fair on either way. But I mean there's just,

I guess in the modern world, this goes when we started talking about self care is that we are negating a lot of things that are actually real. We've just created all these standards and all these ideas that I'm not sure are helping anybody.

Are they?

Suzie : Yeah, that's a good question.

Mel: We have such high expectations.

Suzie : Well, see, that's the problem.

Mel: And you actually used this word earlier where you said your friends feel they deserve it.

Where does that come from? Like, deserve what?

Like,

it's like an ad. I mean, wasn't that a l' Oreal ad for hair? Like. Cause you deserve it.

Suzie : Because they're worth it.

Mel: They're worth it. Yeah.

Where, where has that idea come from? Right. Why do you think, and we do as young women particularly,

why do you feel just because you are a young woman that you deserve it or you're worth it? Why? Based on what?

Suzie : Like Instagram?

Mel: Exactly.

Like you do. If you work hard and you're pushing with life and you're trying and you're,

you're working on all the areas of your life and,

and you're a great person and you're invested in your future and blah, blah. Yeah, maybe you. Then you do deserve it, but you don't deserve it. Just on. I am a 30 year old, 27 year old woman, so I deserve the world.

Who said where does that come from? And really good fucking luck, if that's what you think. I honestly am telling you, good luck if you think on the basis of being a woman.

Yeah,

that's it. I'm a young woman in the western world over the age of, under the age of 35.

I deserve it. Deserve what? Yeah, you don't deserve anything. You have to go out and get it. You have to go out, work on it. You have to go. And you don't just deserve it, because I am.

I E. I.

And I think that's a belief. And, like, you just said it with your friends, and I'm like, they're all gonna hate me now. But it's true.

Suzie : No, I think women just need to have a little bit of a reality check. But so do mental.

Mel: They do so. Because every man is not going to be married to or dating. Who's hot at the moment? I don't know. I never know. These. Okay.

Suzie : No, women are hot right now. I don't know. Men. Men help us. Like Megan. Look at Megan Fox. She's not really that hard.

Mel: She's even. She's a bit old, isn't she?

Suzie : Well, yeah, but she's like, you know, she was really hot.

Mel: She was really hot. But then she had too much.

Suzie : That's the whole problem. See that source the problem, Mel?

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : Too much of a good thing is too much.

Mel: We have to do a whole episode on that because it. Yeah. It's too much for men and women.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: There is a line where everyone.

Suzie : Grooming is too much.

Mel: Yeah. But also this thing about aging gracefully, and I really am going off track is like, you do something to enhance,

but you cannot turn the clock back. No.

And there is absolutely no point trying. If you're 50 or 45, you're on old woman.

Trying to look 25 or trying to look 30. Like you.

Suzie : I actually feel like I look the hottest I've ever. Maybe it's just a feeling. It's the energy.

Mel: It's the energy because I at 30.

Suzie : Feel way hotter than I was at, like, 22, even though I probably wasn't. But, like, I'm. Like I'm probably not, but, like, I might be.

Mel: Yeah. It's the energy.

That's what's important to you at the moment. To me, it's more. It's not that. Because that would be ridiculous to think that. But I.

But I just feel. Not completely.

Suzie : Your milk.

Mel: Thank you. But I feel a p. I am. I'm happy. I have my life. I've got my. I'm fine. I did, you know, whatever you can think. Addiction.

Addiction. Community.

Hot.

Suzie : No.

Mel: Yeah. Oh, the stuff. Yeah, Stuff. And there's a.

Suzie : And that could be a thing for men and women.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Addicted to, like, looking bet, like, better.

Mel: Yeah. They did before. Well, it's a bit like gambling. You have to know and stop. Like, when you start winning and gambling.

Suzie : No one will hold them.

Mel: Let no one to fold them. Exactly. Very good. Thank you. When you gamble no one like you've won.

I hope it is supposed to put something.

Then stop. It's a bit like you've had a bit of Botox. Look a bit, take the wrinkles, but then just stop with all the other shit. And there's plenty of people who would disagree with me.

And I'm like, and I'm gonna say this now,

I've never seen somebody who's had a face left who doesn't look a little odd,

right? And I've seen a lot of women with facelifts and I've never ever seen one other than Kris Jenner, to be fair. And I don't know her personally because she's had a $150,000 facelift.

Suzie : I mean, wow, $150,000.

Mel: Again, I'm listening to TikTok.

But anyway, it's very expensive. But even then.

And we don't see her up.

We really have gone on trouble. But you don't see her up close and personal.

God, I'm sorry, I really, it's.

Suzie : We're gonna end this soon anyways.

Mel: But you know, does her face match, her neck match? I doubt it. All right.

Suzie : It's a.

Mel: It looks good on photos on TikTok, with a filter with a blah. In real life, when you stand next to her, what does it look like.

Suzie : When you're in bed and she has all her makeup off?

Mel: Yeah. What is it like? What is it like? You gotta do a picture.

Suzie : You gotta do.

You gotta do what makes you happy at the end of the day.

Get that hair transplant for you.

Get the Botox, ladies. That's what I said for you.

Mel: Now you're agreeing with me? No. Anyway, I think we have to go now.

Suzie : Yeah, we have to go now. Sorry about. I can't talk about this anymore.

All right, guys. Well, what do you guys think about this? It's a very obviously hot topic, apparently. We couldn't shut the up about it.

What do you guys think? Do you think, think that men should be, you know, should we expect a little bit more from the men of the world on the self care wise or is it just how it is and men, women just have to have their nails and everything else done and men just gotta get away with being rich?

Mel: Yeah. They've got tons of money because they have to go to Sephora.

Suzie : Just be like Jeff Bezos and you'll be okay? Yeah, I guess that's it pretty much. Anyways, Bails, it's been a pleasure as always.

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We'll see you next time. Bye bye.

Suzie : Three two one.

Mel: I.