Suzie : Welcome to Sharing My Truth with Mel and Suzie. The uncensored version where we bear it all.

Mel: We do. 1, 2, 3, 4.

Suzie : And welcome back to Sharing My Truth Pod. Thanks so much for being here, guys. We're so happy to be sitting with you today. With you. With you guys is wherever you're sitting at or standing even maybe in your car, maybe on your peloton.

Mel: Yeah, I go my peloton. Oh, yeah.

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Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Hey, babes.

Mel: Hi, darling.

Suzie : How are you?

Mel: I'm fabulous.

Suzie : I'm. You look fabulous. You look fabulous in magenta.

Mel: Do I?

Suzie : Yeah, you do. It's like you. You're in pink or you're in red. This is a nice combination.

Mel: Oh, it's a nice in between.

Suzie : It is. And I like it the both. I like it the both.

Mel: Like it the both.

Suzie : Like it the both. But I don't know that.

Mel: Okay, well, I'm glad you're happy with it.

Suzie : You're like a delicious little raspberry.

Mel: Raspberry, Raspberry. We have lots of raspberries in England.

Suzie : What kind?

Mel: I don't know. Just.

Suzie : Beautiful.

Mel: Yeah. Anyway.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: On from raspberries. What are we talking about?

Suzie : I suppose we are talking. We are speaking to people today about dating. But not just any dating. Not online dating, not, you know, dating your ******* best friend's cousin from someone else.

It's about dating in real life, meeting people in real life.

Mel: How'd you do it?

Suzie : God, I wish I knew.

Mel: Lost the ability.

Suzie : Yeah. And I think we've.

Mel: We've.

Suzie : We've spoken about this specific topic a bit on other, like, other episodes that we've done because it is fascinating and it's obviously not the world that you're in right now.

Mel: Definitely.

Suzie : But it is the world that I am in. And you've been in the world, obviously, somehow you met a husband. Can't Believe it.

One of a kind. Yeah, but yeah, no, it is. It is unbelievable how we are in this world where people cannot meet regularly anymore. Like in regular, as in like in person.

Serendipitous.

Mel: Meet cutes, Rom com.

Suzie : Rom com, meet cutes. Like, what is happening?

Mel: It blows my mind.

Suzie : And I've also, like, I actually, I didn't even bring this up, but my male coworker brought this up and he was like.

He was like, do you. He was like, how weird is that? The guys don't approach anymore. And I'm like, the fact that you are the one who is realizing this too.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And he has a girlfriend, so it's like he's doing this. And I was like, what about your friends? Like, what do you. What do you guys do? And he's like, no, my friends are actually pretty good at that.

And I'm like, well, ******* needs to be seen to be believed. But like, I just cannot because it doesn't happen anymore. And the men who. It sucks because the men who do approach, ah, like, why is that?

So it's hard to be like, I'm complaining because no one does it. And the ones who do do it.

Mel: Sock, sock, sock. It's. It's just so interesting because we've done these last few episodes on single women. Why there's so ******* many of them.

Suzie : God.

Mel: And it's just going to get out of control in a few years. Single men, too many of them. So generically.

Suzie : And they should all just meet each other somehow.

Mel: And then. Single people. And why, if they're all these single people, are they not singling together?

Suzie : Single together, please.

Mel: And apparently they don't know how to.

Suzie : Meet because it's exhausting. Mel and I will tell you why.

Mel: Okay, go on then.

Suzie : So everyone's on the apps. Everyone who's anybody is on the apps. Okay, like this is a problem. Whatever the **** it is. Hinge, Bumble, Raya, whatever. You're doing Tinder. I don't even know.

I'm not on Tinder.

Mel: Does anybody on that anymore? They must be Grinder.

Suzie : Grinder for our gay, gay kids.

Mel: And I did have a question for you today.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Because I didn't even know where. What's the lesbian app?

Suzie : And the lesbians, if there's any listening to us. I hope we have some lesbian listeners. Let us know what the hell. The app. What's your favorite app? Because K, I will also let you know.

So right now I'm on Bumble. Yeah, we were talking about this today. I got kicked off of Hinge for no ******* reason.

If there's anyone who works for Hinge on here.

Mel: What is going on?

Suzie : Well, here's the thing. Like, they let me. They were like, hey, you've been reported or something, but you can, like, attest. What is it called? Like, unreport yourself.

Mel: Whatever you do.

Suzie : Whatever you do. And so I was like, okay, I'll do that. And then I was like, this is just so annoying. And I also just, like, don't care enough about Hinge.

It's already so exhausting. So I was like, okay, let me try Bumble. Because I wasn't on Bumble when I was on Hinge, So I went on Bumble. So on Bumble, it's really annoying.

You have to make the first move as a woman. Super ******* annoying.

But I'm also on Bumble. Meeting women. Not meeting them, but speaking with them.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : I just thought I'd try it.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Because I'm a bisexual lady, and so I was like, maybe I will meet a nice girl on here and we'll just hook up.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : You know what I mean? Like, that'll be kind of fun.

Mel: Success. Yeah.

Suzie : You just never know. And also because it's nice, because the two women can, like. I don't have to message first on the woman because she's also a woman.

Mel: Oh. Oh, wild. Okay.

Suzie : But it's funny because you brought up lesbians. Where are you meeting on the apps? Women are very hard to approach in the way of being a lesbian.

Mel: But really.

Suzie : So being a straight woman, I feel like. I feel like we're just very intimidating, and we're like, do not talk to us.

Mel: Like, if I want to unpack that, because I. As you know, I do get a lot of lesbian women approaching me.

Suzie : Yes. But I think those women are confident. I don't give a difference.

Mel: Lesbian energy.

Suzie : No, but they love little women like you. No, it's the petiteness. They love a petite woman.

Mel: Okay. And I'm friendly, and I'm very.

Suzie : And you're very cute, Mel, if I do say so myself.

Mel: Thank you, Danny. I mean, if you're a lesbian, fine. It's really fine. It's just not gonna, you know, do anything for me. But, you know, say whatever you like.

Suzie : Not yet, ladies. Keep it coming.

Mel: But maybe lesbians just meet. Or maybe you're saying they don't meet. It's even worse.

Suzie : Also, here's the thing, right? So, like, if I. So because. Because it was a lot of years here when I was, like, younger. Like, maybe like, 20, 21, 22, 23, it's not easier to like kind of hook up with girls.

Mel: Different world. Maybe even in the last nine, eight years things have got completely wild.

Suzie : Yeah. And just like I think younger women, like I don't know what Gen Z's are doing.

Mel: Well, there's also an experiment. Phage. No, experimentation.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: So. And I was talking to somebody about this the other day who didn't believe me. I'm like, have you lived under a rock? I can think of many, many of my girlfriends that have experiment did with women that are not lesbians, are not bisexual.

But they've gone through, gone through some kind of phase journey, whatever the you want, but who gives a. And so I think that's actually quite common for women and tends to happen.

They call it something in the States. It's something to do with being in college. It's called something I can't remember anyway, whatever. But you, that's the kind of age you're going to experiment.

Anywhere from sort of like late teens to early 20s. If you are going to have a thing with a woman because you're kind of curious or whatever, that's the kind of age you're going to do it.

I think I haven't hooked up with.

Suzie : A woman since I broke up. Like since probably like 20, 15, 26.

Mel: A long time.

Suzie : Yes, it is. But you know, I had a boyfriend for that entire time pretty much.

Mel: Right.

Suzie : So it wasn't really like hooking up time for the ladies. Now I'm like, maybe I'm interested in girls again. I've just like kind of just feeling it out.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And I wouldn't even know how to go about picking up a girl in a bar for myself.

Mel: Interesting.

Suzie : Do you know what I mean?

Mel: No.

Suzie : Isn't that crazy?

Mel: Like, but I think that's fascinating.

Suzie : It's crazy like I think how I think I would do it as a woman trying to hook up with another woman. And maybe men can take this from me too. And maybe they agree that because it is intimidating if you see a hot girl at the bar.

And I feel like I have very high taste in women. Like they have to be ******* hot for me to want to hook up with them. Sorry. But they do.

Like, I think I would just like buy them a drink and if they're with a friend, buy the two of them a drink. Like I have to, I don't go to the bar alone.

Like I'd have to be like with another friend and then like.

Mel: Right. But I think like women, you're not going to have the Same kind of barriers with men because there's not. We're not scared of the same kind of things.

Suzie : True.

Mel: But you have to know that the woman's into women. So how do you know that they just give up?

Suzie : That's the thing. You don't know. Because I don't know if I give off a gay vibe.

Mel: Not really.

Suzie : Do you know what I mean? Like there's those like lipstick lesbians that are super ******* hot. Right. And don't look gay at all, but like to *****.

Mel: Yes, yes.

Suzie : But like you wouldn't know that until you're like talking to them. And I also think a lot of women want to experiment and haven't experimented and are open to that as well, even if they aren't.

And like you're saying even if they aren't bi or gay or whatever, maybe they are bi and they just don't know it or whatever it is and they're okay with experimenting or they just haven't been approached like that.

Mel: My theory about like experimenting. So I probably didn't finish my thing there and this is exclusively my theory. I'd like to caveat. There's nothing psychological. I haven't done any research. This is just.

My theory is that you experiment. A lot of women experiment in that age group, say anywhere between sort of 17, 23, like university kind of age where you might meet people.

And then I think a lot of women later in life when they've been ****** over by men and they sort of come to this thing. And that's why there are quite a lot of shows about it.

Maybe this is exclusively a weird British thing, but we've had quite a lot of shows, like British dramas about middle aged women, like having been with a straight. Had a whole straight life for ******* decades.

Suzie : Whole straight life.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Had kids.

Mel: Yeah. Like a whole, you know, and then suddenly they turn up with their lesbian wife or friend or whatever, whatever. And I actually do understand that because I think that that isn't a thing for men, but it is a thing for women because women communicate.

And if you've had a series of really ****** relationships, 100. With men that don't communicate, again, I'm not bashing men, I'm just saying if that's happened, then you're like, **** it, I'm just gonna go with a woman because it's not as gross.

And so they think, yeah, okay, so I think there are these two pillars. That's my theory about it. If you're not strictly a lesbian. So.

But then, then you're like when you're younger, you're meeting because you're at university, you're in the bars, you're in the parties, you're in an environment where you can meet somebody and different things happen.

And then later in life, why does it happen?

I have no idea. So what happens? What the **** happens in between?

Suzie : I don't know.

Mel: So this is. So we go back to thing, we've gone off track again, is how the. Do people meet in real life?

Suzie : Well, so people are like, they are confused.

Mel: You go on.

Suzie : Okay, we are, we are in Toronto. And if anyone's in Toronto listening to this, you go on King Street. Okay? King street is our main street here.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And I live off like on King Street. I'm not in the busy part, but I have to go to and from work on the street.

And then also, like, you know, if you're just going out to dinner, if you have to go somewhere, you're most likely going to pass this busy spot where everyone's going out.

There are so many people still going out, right. It's not like no one's mingling. Why the are we not able to have a conversation with a stranger anymore? I think that is the root of the problem.

Do you know what I mean? What is the root of that?

Mel: I think it is, I think it is. The problem is like, and I even hear it from like young people, like, because obviously, you know, as I've said many times, I have two young daughters and you know, older teenagers in their 20s and they don't seem to go out in the way I used to go out.

And they know tons of people, that's also it too. And they don't go out in the way. I mean, I think there's a, there is definitely a cost issue because like now you go out and even like a university student's got to spend, you know, 100.

I think a cheap night's 150 in a ****** town in Ontario, you know what I mean? So that's a problem, right? You go out in Toronto for the night and we're not going to actually have eaten anything.

I mean, you've probably spent at a bare minimum 350 bucks.

Suzie : Well, let's say every drink is 20 bucks, right?

Mel: So you're in your ear, you're in the hundreds, so you've got to get home. Yes.

So maybe you're not going out as much.

Right?

So that's the thing. But I, I think you're right. Like everyone still goes to bars. There are still lots of Bars. And I know people don't go to nightclubs in the way they used to.

Like in my generation, they used to.

Suzie : Go, you know what's so funny? Up? And because I have a few Gen Z friends because of my work that I do.

Like, we're in the same company and they don't know how to club like we did. Not that I'm in the same generation as you, but I used to club.

Mel: Oh, I was a big club club. I love the club. These girls today, a very long time.

Suzie : Ago, I love today, do not wear heels. They do not know how to dance on a table. They don't go, you don't know anything.

Mel: I swear to God, they don't know how.

Suzie : ******* Coyote Ugly, this ****.

Mel: Oh, that's funny.

Suzie : They don't know anything about this. So they just go. They're wearing their ugly little sneakers and their ugly little outfits. I'm sorry, Jen C, but you don't look great.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : You know, and then they put themselves in these places where they're like, I don't need a ******* man or, I don't want to ******* talk to boys. And I understand that because boys are annoying.

But then you find yourself where no one wants to ******* talk to you anyways. And so then we get into this horrible cycle of men being like, I don't want to approach.

And girls like, don't approach me. And that. Do you know what I mean?

Mel: I think I did that also might be because projecting. But yeah, it could be. But I think when I went clubbing. Yeah, you had a very small top on. Tight.

Suzie : Well, normally very small top, tight, Tiny.

Mel: Trousers, we call them. Because Pants. Yeah. What we used to call them. **** me boots.

Suzie : **** me boots.

Mel: I love it all. Very high heels and obviously drunk an insane amount of vodka and. But you were out for fun. But then it was a different. A different era. And this.

I don't understand why people can't figure out how to do that or even to meet in a normal way. Like, I don't know, take up a hobby.

Suzie : No one wants to take a hobby anymore.

Mel: And I know that that's like. But I said this to you several times. I know plenty of people who've met.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Because they have a shared interest. And I know that that could be a bit geeky. But if you're geeky, great. Meet a geeky person. So there must be cool hobbies. I don't know.

I don't have any. But there must be. There must be. And. But this is. This is the problem. I'm going to tell you what the problem is.

Suzie : Tell me.

Mel: So I looked at this for goodness sake. Like what is the advice out there? Right. Yeah.

Suzie : Because I feel like so many people have written about this stuff because when we look it up to even just like talk about this to kind of research our episode, if you will.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : There is so much that people are actually saying about dating and life and how to meet someone in person. Because it's not like there's no one on the street. There are people on the street.

Mel: So can we just look up from.

Suzie : Our ******* phones in cafes?

Mel: There are people in bars.

I don't. Yeah. But I think the problem is. So this is GQ magazine and I'm concerned that this is a British publication and the advice quite frankly is *****. So it's like dating experts.

What the ever the that means on how to actually meet people in real life. So I'm not going to read this because it really is absolutely absurd. But I'm going to give you.

Yeah. So go to the right places. Oh, I mean, thank you very much.

Suzie : But does it say where the right places are?

Mel: There's no point in wanting to meet new people but. But then only going to the same three places. Your house, the local Audi which is a supermarket and your mate's house.

You need to get out and see some fresh locations. Especially the sort that foster conversation.

Suzie : Do you remember we had a comment on one of our last episodes that a guy was like, oh, you're discounting how much men don't go out.

Mel: Yeah. And I was like, so like men don't go out. But he was, he was right.

Suzie : He was being serious.

Mel: Yeah. On one of the videos and there were actually.

Suzie : People are afraid to put themselves out there.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : That's also the problem.

Mel: And I do, I get it. I really do understand terrifying get rejected.

Suzie : I mean, you just got to ******* do it.

Mel: We're not men. But we do understand that the being a man right now seems to be quite terrifying because we've put them in this place where they don't know what to do.

So it's very complicated. We kind of want them to approach us, but don't approach us and only approach us. If you're extremely good looking, you make at least a million dollars a year and you drive a Maserati.

Otherwise don't bother. Which really does somewhat narrow the field.

Suzie : Here's the thing though, like I have a lot of girlfriends who are hot as and they are not with the cutest men.

Mel: Yeah. You keep telling me this. I promise and they're with ugly men, I promise you. And they're not rich.

Suzie : Well, like ugly to me is like obviously just like maybe I. The guys that I'm into are ugly to other. Do you know what I mean? Like, yes, But I think women, if you're just a nice person and you have a great sense of humor and you're light.

Do you know what I mean by that?

Mel: Like you're.

Suzie : There's so many guys out there who are so serious and so angry and like, if you're just like a very light person and you're open to conversation and you're open to what someone else say, it's so freeing for the other person you're talking to.

So if you come over to another girl or whatever and you come over and you're not so ******* serious and you're not trying to make a move or anything like that, you just open to conversation, it's going to be much better for you.

Mel: Oh.

Suzie : Than if you're just a *******. Like you have a plan in mind and then if she doesn't ******* pay attention to you, like you're hoping then you are such a **** about it.

Like, it's just.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Because those guys, all the guys that my friends are with, they're not bad guys. Like, just because they're ugly or like that I don't find them attractive. Like they're bad people.

It's like they're really great guys and my, my friends are with them for a reason.

Mel: Yeah, they're just, you know, they're probably just nice.

Suzie : They're just nice guys. Also, hopefully you know how to ****, but like, you know.

Mel: Well, yeah, I'm sure.

Suzie : I don't know.

Mel: I mean, I think it's just this taking yourself incredibly.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: Which is a generation.

Suzie : Women do that too though.

Mel: And for sure. Oh my God. Obviously, 100%. It's like just chill out.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: I mean I really actually don't care what you do professionally. Let's just have a conversation. I really don't care. Like, you know, I, I've. You know when you go to parties and I can think of a party I went to recently and it was like a sort of woman's kind of get together thing and like leaders in whatever and that I'd say of the however many people, most of them were just like.

Because they talked about themselves. I don't care that you are the head of blend me, blend me, blend me, blah. And the person I ended up talking to the most was just really funny.

Really. Like we chatted about life and traveling and children. Neither of us mentioned what she did. We did. I didn't tell her, she didn't tell me. We didn't ask. I don't care.

We just had a conversation.

Because this isn't a job interview.

Suzie : It's also just like a very good vibe.

Mel: A very good vibe. And just like you're not gonna have.

Suzie : A good vibe with everyone. So you have to accept that and move on from the people you don't vibe with.

Mel: And don't be intense. And I think that's a. An interesting thing. Like I've said this to you. Like everyone seems to have so much rage now. And I think it's from men, particularly young men and young women.

Just so much rage. I don't know why. I mean, somebody needs to tell me.

Suzie : Well, no, because like social media builds up the rage.

Mel: But life, I hate to break it, you all has always been a little bit ****.

Suzie : Yeah, of course.

Mel: It's not like it's suddenly got more ****. It's always been like very difficult to make your way in the world and expensive and all the rest of it. I just think it is a real problem that people can't go out on like a Friday night or a Saturday night, which is like the traditional, you know, you work in wherever all week.

You need to let your hair down and just let your hair down.

Suzie : Let your hair down, ladies.

Mel: But people don't seem to do it. No.

Suzie : They don't know how.

Mel: And I want to tell all the young people out there, if you don't do it.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Because thank you. Did not have and have not had a midlife crisis because I wasn't.

Suzie : Because she was a crazy crash when.

Mel: She was young and I did like to party and I had a lot of fun.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: I love clubbing, I love dancing, probably drank too much, etc, etc, but I had fun.

Suzie : No, but this is what's the problem. It's like people also like I'm not judging anyone for your own decisions. Like if this is what you think you want, whatever, whatever. But in my experience from like looking at people and like seeing people and like I deal with a lot of people in my day to day and I always have.

Mel: We're in a sales. A sales.

Suzie : Sales and customer service like a very. People face it. Like I, you know, but like the people who get married way too young. Not like you also did get married a little.

Not too. But like. Well, yeah, for me for like 28. Right.

Mel: Well that's actually not that pretty ancient.

Suzie : Well, but there's People who get married at like 25, 23, like, and then. And then they really haven't done anything because it's right at a college, right at university.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : First job.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Do you know how much you change?

Mel: I mean, you do, obviously, but like.

Suzie : The amount of that you change as a person within from like 20 to 30 or even 20 to 25 to 30 to 35. Like, you are changing so much personally, on your own, politically, socially, economically.

Like, you're coming into money, you're losing money. That person has to deal with that that whole time. And like, that just ruins your sex life. It just ruins your fun time.

Mel: Yeah. Look, I mean. I mean, I get it. It's really hard. I mean, for women it's a particular thing because you got the whole thing. Do you want to have children?

And I hate to like, you know, burst everyone's bubble, but, you know, older women say that it's true. Like, don't leave it. If you do want to have kids, don't leave it.

Yeah, don't. Just don't. Because it's a problem.

Because, you know, you may not be able to get pregnant then. Just think, I'm 50, almost 52, and I've got both my kids going to university, I think.

I mean, they're not like, they're not still, you know, using my money and everything else. No, I love my children, but I mean, I'm not. I don't have little kids.

I'm not driving little kids around. I have friends who have little kids and they're in their 50s. It's a lot. It's a lot. It really is. But anyway, I mean, we're getting.

I'm getting off the thing, but I just think if the thing. The problem is if you meet the person, you can't control when you meet the person.

Suzie : Of course not.

Mel: And you might be 23, you might be 45, you just don't know. Right. It's just kind of the obsessive behavior between those points. And I do get it, that there gets a point where, particularly for women, less of men.

Although I would. I will. I can vouch. I should. Blah, blah. I can't even speak that maybe I should be corrected because according to a lot of the comments we're getting on our YouTube videos, a lot of men are saying.

And a lot. And a lot of men are saying to us.

Suzie : These are. I mean, I wouldn't trust with these men.

Mel: No, I.

Suzie : Be honest. Sorry, boys. But like.

Mel: But they can't. Whatever that they can't. They can't they're not meeting people, they're not going out. That women have a lot easier time of it. Sure. I think, to be honest, I think that's a perception from both sides.

Like the women think the men have a better time and the men think the women.

Suzie : I don't think the women.

Mel: No.

Suzie : And I don't think men have a better time with it. Well, but I think women just have a lot more choice.

Mel: But why?

Suzie : Because it's all about the dating apps, babe. Like we have a lot more choice on the apps.

Mel: But you mean in your age group?

Suzie : I think in general.

Mel: Well, the, the sooner. When you hit a certain age, I just. Somebody has to convince me that women still have choice. I just don't get it.

Suzie : Right, I see.

Mel: They just don't.

Suzie : You grow out of choice.

Mel: Exactly. That's a good way of putting it. You grow out of choice.

And no matter how, you know, all these women can bang on about aging gracefully and having gray hair is bullshit. Like men. There is a, there is an issue. Women age and they can look fantastic.

But the vast proportion of men of their age do not want a woman of the same age. When you hit a certain age. So probably in your 40s and then you get to your 50s.

I forget it. 50 year old men don't. I mean I go to parties, 75 year old men, 80 year old men chuck me up. It's never a problem. I always say to my husband, you know, if you leave me, I'll be marrying a 80 year old billionaire.

But it's never men of my age, it's older men.

Suzie : No, you're right, you're right.

Mel: Because I'm like, I'm really young to them, you know, you are very young. But it's hilarious. I mean I find it very funny, but I mean not men of my age, men who are a lot older.

But that's because women hit a certain age and it becomes harder. So we're really talking about your age group, which at the end of the day is really what matters.

Because if your ******* age group. So anybody from 25 to 35, which is key time when you should be meeting your mate, I mean, let's be frank. In that time, you know that person that you're going to marry and have your children with, or at least a.

Suzie : Person have children with, hopefully they're okay and then you can divorce them later.

Mel: Right, exactly. And that obviously is a very hyper sen. But you should be meeting somebody very key in your life and we can argue about, you know, whether that's old fashioned or whatever.

But let's be frank. That's. That's your window, right?

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: And it is not happening.

Suzie : No, it's not.

Mel: And you're like, it's not like there are less men, there are not less women. So what is going on? Well, we know what's going on. Society's change, women want different things, blah, blah, blah.

Men have got angry about that, women have got angry and everyone's ******* angry.

Suzie : But of the people, it's a positive, Mel.

Mel: I know, but it is true, isn't it? But there are obviously lots and lots of people who want to date because there wouldn't be a ginormous billion dollar dating app industry.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: If nobody wanted to date. Exactly.

Suzie : But they want, how they want to do it is they want to date from the comfort of their own ******* home.

Mel: Well, yeah, they want to.

Suzie : They don't want to go out and meet people. They don't want to do it naturally. They want to meet someone. They want to know every single ******* thing little about them.

Like we've talked about how that's a problem.

And then they want to. And then they want to possibly go out with them and where they're going to ghost them later. Like that's the cycle of dating nowadays.

Mel: Yeah. They want to order their sushi, order their groceries and order their man or woman all on the same day. Exactly. Which is absurd.

Suzie : It's psychotic.

Mel: It is actually psychotic. And like going back, is there more.

Suzie : Yeah. Is there more advice that these CQ gives us?

Mel: I mean like, are they serious? Then the next thing is use your friends in a good way. I mean, I'm sorry, I think by the point you're on the apps, you've exhausted the friends.

Suzie : Well, you're just hoping you're not like, push this weird. Like you can't push your friends to push.

Mel: You've gone, you've gone to people. It's not happening. It's not happening. I mean, this is ridiculous. Your friends know if you're single, if they know of a nice person.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: They're going to mention.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: And that's it.

Suzie : I have wanted to for my own friends and I've thought about this while I was in a relationship and I was like, I'm going to do this for my single friends because it'd be so fun.

And now I'm going to do this for myself. But it's like you have a party where every, you like invite your single friends and every other single, like they have to bring another single friend with them.

Mel: Like speed dating.

Suzie : You, like, kind of like speed dating. Everyone in the house is single except for, like the people in relationships who want to come. They also have to bring a single friend, you know, I mean, so you have a bunch of single ******* people.

Mel: That's very good idea.

Suzie : I'm going to do it. I'm going to tell you about it. But I was just like. Because that's the only way to do this. People have to mingle in a house.

You can't mingle in a bar. It's too ******* exhausting.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Like, you have to have a house party.

Mel: Scary. Yeah. You have to.

Suzie : A house party and, like, make you feel comfortable and cozy and like.

Mel: Well, I think in this day and age where a. We're all scared about what's gonna happen and if somebody does something and somebody's gonna sue somebody, then we've all seen all these ******* crime dramas.

So we're worried we're gonna end up in a blender or something.

Suzie : I don't wanna be in a blender.

Mel: You know, like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, we visualize all this crazy ****.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: And as I've told you many times, I've told you I'm gonna say this story again and she's gonna roll her eyeballs.

Suzie : No, I love it.

Mel: It's like this thing about, like, oh, you know, nothing ever happens. Nobody's ever gonna, like, break into my apartment. One of my friends. I told you this man was hiding in a ******* cupboard.

Yes. It was just beyond terrifying. And it all worked out fine. And he didn't hurt her and everything else. But this was very, very ****** up in the 90s. And, you know, so everyone's seen all these movies and all these endless Netflix shows.

So we're always. We're all ******* terrified about.

Suzie : Because it's also like you catfishing.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : Real ******* thing.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : And it happens all the time to people on dating app.

Mel: It happens all the time. And I was telling you about.

There seems to be a trend on TikTok if somebody is sitting next to somebody, which is obviously also bullshit, where they see them like on an app and they're sort of messaging and they, they don't look like they're whatever.

They're.

Suzie : They're probably like. They're. This person's like looking over their shoulder at this.

Mel: Yeah. And you're like, how much are you actually seeing. I saw this thing on TikTok where this woman was on a plane. These things seem to happen on planes a lot.

And she's like in her 20s and the man next to her. Yeah, is. Yeah, exactly. Is. Is. Is sort of my age or older. And he's pretending to the girl he's messaging that he's in his 20s.

Suzie : Yikes.

Mel: And you're like, whether that's a bullshit thing or not, it still happens all the time.

And you're like, it goes back to the kind of **** pic thing. So what do you think is good? What is the point of this? Because if you're chatting on an app shortly, the idea is eventually meet in person and then you think they're gonna go, oh, it's okay that you're 75 and you said you were 25.

What do they think is gonna happen?

Suzie : I don't know.

Mel: Or do they get off on the thrill of it?

Suzie : Okay.

Mel: There's never meet.

Suzie : Okay. So I've. We talked about Bumble and how I'm like seeing now women too on there.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And the amount of women ladies ****. The amount of women who are on Mumble and have like filtered *** pictures of them. And you can tell when a picture is filtered.

Now you can't get away from that. Especially like, like you're using like a fudgeing Instagram filter. Like, who is swiping right on these people when you don't even look like a person in your photo?

Like, who do you think? What do you think they're going to do when you show up to the dinner and you look completely ****** because you don't look like the, like, just be like, what do you expect is going to happen?

I feel like that's serious type of catfishing. That is like, so still. Like, that's the most real that I feel like that's, that's the most. I can't even imagine what is the point of it?

I don't know.

Mel: It's like, are you hoping that you're going to be so fabulous they're just gonna. Oh, it's fine that you don't. I don't. Like, it's like there's this whole sort of sales thing about you try and reel them in and then you, you turn up.

And then I have also seen videos where, like, that's the happens and the girl turns up and the guy's like, oh, my God. And kind of is polite and then goes, oh, I've, you know, got a call or whatever and goes, well, what do you expect?

I mean, what do you expect? And I, I honestly.

Suzie : And I would do the same thing. I would *******. You've crawled out the bathroom window. I would, I would crawl the bathroom window at that point if a guy.

Mel: Did that many years ago. Yeah. And I, I, I just don't see the point. And it's like we've talked about this also, like punching above your weight and all this kind of thing.

Like, what is the point? Like you are who you are, you're fabulous as you are. Believe in yourself and go and find somebody who wants you, not somebody who wants some version of you.

Because if you meet somebody and even if you keep up the pretense or are able to or whatever it is, that thing is going to eventually kind of fall that mask and then the real you.

So why do you want to be with or whatever?

Suzie : Because women are so self conscious.

Mel: Yeah, I get that. And some men are pretty ******* nasty. I mean, like, you know, we've done episodes where we've talked about men and they've said that women are very critical about them.

And I, I do agree with that. But I also think men are extremely critical about women. They're critical about their *****, about their weight, about their skin, about their this, about their that.

And you're like, that's fine if you don't find that person attractive and that's not your jam and that's completely fine. So just don't say anything and just move on. Or I find men can be unnecessarily nasty sometimes.

And like, for example, this has nothing to do with the criticism of the way I look, but the other day I was reversing out of my house, out of the driveway, and sometimes my street can get quite busy and I was sort of going slowly anyway, and the people coming and blah, blah.

And I was going slowly and this man, and I had my window open, he winds down his window and he screams at me, you ******* **** *** driver, shut the **** up.

You can't drive. And then he cackles.

And then I look at him, I just said, **** off, mate. And then I, and I drove off and I just thought he's like behind you.

Suzie : Like, I'm so confused.

Mel: So I'm sort of reversing, going that way. And he's there and he's seeing me and he's watching this. And you're like, I don't understand what you're getting out of being so mean.

Suzie : It's so horrible.

Mel: Because all the reason I'm going slowly is I can't see anybody coming.

Suzie : No. Yeah, you have a huge car in.

Mel: A ******* city and I can't see anybody coming. And I'm trying not to kill anyone.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Yeah. Really? You know, I think that's pretty reasonable as a citizen. And you think. It's not like he said ***** or anything like that. He just said, you're killing. You're a ******* shy driver.

And he just went like this and then he cackled. And I just thought, you know, okay, fine, I mean, I don't give a ****. But yeah, it's like, what is the point of that?

How pointless is your life?

Suzie : Because people are just so much more mean to strangers than they would be with anyone else.

Mel: But it's the same as social media. It's the same with comments.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Like, people have to vent something. Yes. And they have to say, say something. Like, what if I'd been a little old lady, would he have shouted at me?

Suzie : I maybe seems like a ****.

Mel: Yeah. But there are many of them and there are many.

Oh, but I'm just saying what. What is the anger, the rage? Maybe that's why people can't meet. Maybe they're just so angry.

Suzie : No, that's true. I think people are just. They're much like, they're way too serious.

They're too in their emotions. They're overthinking.

Because there's also the thing with cell phones. And I get ******* annoyed with, like, my family members and like, even my work, where it's like, even if I have a cell phone and I have email on my phone and I have all these things that you're able to contact me, it does not mean I'm available.

Mel: Yeah, I agree.

Suzie : And if someone who you're dating doesn't reply within, like, even, I would say, 12 hours, 24 hours, you're just dating them. They're not your boyfriend yet or whatever. That's ******* reasonable.

That's 100. Like, you don't. They, don't they. You shouldn't be. They shouldn't be talking to you all like, that's crazy to me. If someone was, like, talking to me constantly 24 7, that would ******* annoy me.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Just like, have a life and if you. If you're getting mad about this, then you don't have a ******* life. And then I'm not going to be attracted to you anyways.

Mel: I think. Yeah. That. The fact that you can. That's a very good point. The fact you can access people. And I find it constantly, like, you know, you've got all the social media stuff then I personally, like work stuff.

I've got email. You've obviously got WhatsApp. I've got all sorts of apps for kind of platforms where you can contact, you know, for business stuff. I mean, it's just endless, endless, endless, endless.

And all sorts of platforms where it's.

Suzie : Overwhelming and it's like, I don't want to ******* deal with this. And it's like if someone's like trying to talk to me about something, like, literally, I don't care about on that point because it's like we're just starting to date and it's just like kind of meal, like at that moment, it's just like, I can't deal with right now.

I will reply if I want to reply. Yeah, but just like, it doesn't mean that much. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's a bad way to think about it.

Mel: But no, I mean, I think there is an element of a generational thing. I think there's a difference between Gen X is a millennials and the way we deal with messaging.

I think that's because we didn't grow up with it as much.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: But yeah, I agree. You should have the right to not contact people. Like, you should not have to, like, have to go. You know, you should be able to do it.

It's your convenience, the ****** messaging thing. But I mean, I, I think like friends and, you know, children and family maybe is one thing, whatever your relationship is. But yeah, if you're not actually in a relationship and you're not even sort of dating, yeah, it shouldn't be such a huge thing.

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Mel: Well, the tea is. We really want to share.

Suzie : Yes, we always want to share some.

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Suzie : We love you.

Mel: So, I mean, in the continuing tradition, I just want to mention this because it's just so funny. It's keeping me alive at the moment is the amount of **** pics that are being sent to us, but not by men, by women.

Suzie : Yeah, Ladies, we also don't want to see these **** pics.

Mel: I don't want the *****.

Suzie : Ladies. Oh, my God. Mel showed your email.

Mel: Gonna give me a heart scream.

Suzie : Did I not scream today, Mel? I screamed.

Mel: I read these emails and especially the emails from women. Always like, little heart, little stars, little nice. No. And they're always really nice and they're very nice about us and they're really.

It's really wonderful. And then you get to the end of it because they're sharing but they're **** picking there.

Suzie : And we're like, yes, we appreciate you sharing your trauma with us. We also don't want to have this trauma, though.

Mel: Yeah, I don't really need the pic because I've. They're burned and etched in my memory.

Suzie : No, they literally. But this one was like the balls were held. It was like, balls, ****, you're just ******* hanging out. And I was like, jesus Christ.

Mel: It was a lot. What a picture. But I do feel like, holy ****, this man sent this to this woman and she's like, stop, just stop doing this. But anyway, the thing that is just really funny is the **** pics that we're getting now are from women.

Yeah. In protest. It is sent to them.

Suzie : You know what? I was thinking about it though.

Mel: But it is amazing. Yeah.

Suzie : You guys said ladies, you said us, the date.

Mel: Keep sending it. Yeah.

Suzie : Who ******* cares? But you know what I was also thinking?

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And I was a little like, is that. What if it's the men pretending to be the woman sending us their **** pics so that they know that we're gonna talk about it?

And look at them.

Mel: That had occurred to me too.

Suzie : Really?

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : What do you think?

Mel: Because the world's full of nutcases, Dutch. But anyway, whatever it is, I'm seeing an awful lot of penises in my life today. And that's, you know.

So then the other thing, this brings me on to is our YouTube messages. But sometimes, like, comments. Sorry. Sometimes our message.

I'll put my flashlight on in a minute.

Suzie : Oh, my God.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Anyway, what are your faves for now?

Mel: Well, I mean. Well, one today which wasn't YouTube, but I did think that was actually quite funny. Was.

Well, I don't know who this is. I just think it's funny. Is he said. Well, I'm assuming it's a he.

Suzie : A witch video or it's one of.

Mel: Our, like, videos about soul. A episode about soulmates. They said, my soulmate was abducted by aliens is my guess.

Suzie : So he doesn't have a soulmate.

Mel: And they've been years of. Nine years waiting. So what's that mean? Exactly.

Suzie : So he's saying that they've been abducted by soul. They've been abducted by aliens and he's never had a soul mate. That's why.

Mel: Is that what he's saying?

Suzie : That's what he's saying.

Mel: Okay. Well, that was a favorite. I think that's. That's quite funny. I mean. Fair enough.

Suzie : Sorry. I think you just have to look harder.

Mel: I think I did. So I did get this, and I thought. This is. There's a woman commenting that the sexist marriages I know about are the men who no longer want sex.

The woman still wants a sexual relationship and miss the intimacy. The men have rejected their wife's advances. And I sort of. I applaud this woman. Thank you very much. So sorry.

Suzie : What is she saying?

Mel: Oh, my God. I have to read it. No. So this. Joking. This is. This was a comment about sex. Marriage on one of our videos.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: And a lot of the comments we got were obviously from men. Because, you know, so often when you talk about marriage, it's always men going on my mom. My mom.

Suzie : Yikes.

Mel: My. My. My. My wife doesn't put out anymore. Extremely ****** up. My wife doesn't put out anymore. Might have to edit.

Suzie : Sorry. No, I'm not going to. That's hilarious.

Mel: My wife doesn't want to put out anymore. And it's always the men complaining about women.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: And so we got endless comments about this. And sometimes it gets quite nasty about women and how. What's the point of women?

Suzie : Yeah, we don't put out.

Mel: It's all really charming. And then this woman said, you know, that the sexist marriages that she knows about are the men who no longer want sex. The women still want a sexual relationship and miss the intimacy.

The men have rejected the wife's advances. And I think that's very true.

Suzie : Because men can't get it up and.

Mel: They'Re embarrassed about it 100%. There's also the horrible thing that I think a lot of men fall in love with a woman at 25. The way she looks and whatever happens to her, whether she still looks hot, she looks different and she's not their ideal or thing or whatever the **** it is.

The fact that he is an either is apparently irrelevant.

Suzie : Right, of course.

Mel: And he isn't interested in her. So that's one thing. Then there's your *****, obviously not working. And then the other thing is just, you know, men, we talk about libido and women, it happens to men.

It's very common in men. Sort of late 40s, 50s. It's very common. What the **** do you think ****** was invented for? Yep. I mean that's more about getting up, but you know what I mean, you have to actually have desire for that to work.

But you know, we always think of it from a male centric point of view. Sexist marriage. And it's not fair, it's not true. Lots and lots of women do want intimacy, love, touch, sex, the whole thing.

And they don't get it. And she was making that point. I thought good for you. You're right.

Suzie : No, I love that.

Mel: And. But she was the only person who said that.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: I mean obviously it's YouTube, so it's the domain most men.

Suzie : But.

Mel: But it is true. And I think the more we talk about this, like I understand there's rage from men, but there's also rage from women. And of course women have huge rage and just like understand that.

And you know, I keep seeing all these comments. It's a two way street, everyone. The reason like men are single and can't date the women can't say it's a two way street.

You know, why do we not understanding.

Suzie : This and people just don't want to understand it.

Mel: No. Yeah, I don't think you know what.

Suzie : I mean, it's like, yeah, they could and so they'd be more empathetic as a whole society, but we just choose not to be.

Mel: Yeah. So they then they just get nasty. Yeah, like really nasty. And you know there are some comments that are really nasty.

Suzie : We have to read those.

Mel: No, this is. Well, this is lovely. I remember when my wife started rambling rambly randomly. It's been a long day, talking about her friends that were in sexist marriages and quite frankly just not interested at all anymore in anything sex related.

I mean I would like to just add in there perhaps not with you Just not, you know.

Suzie : Thank you.

Mel: I'll take this moment to state that women should wonder why marriage, massage parlors, prostitution, and strip clubs exist and thrive.

Suzie : Okay.

Actually, I have a weird. Because I've been with other, like, men who are out of marriages now.

So the massage parlors. And I don't think women understand. This is why I'm bringing it up.

Massage parlors, obviously, the ones that give you a happy ending are the first thing that a man will do to cheat on his wife. Yes, I know, but I know you know that.

But I think a lot of women are, like, so unaware that this is actually happening. But, like, it's the first thing, because they don't have to. They don't have to touch the woman.

Right. So it doesn't feel like it's like cheating in some way. It's like they're just getting off by having another person there and kind of getting them off.

Mel: Yeah, but it's not like it's easy to do.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: Excuse me. And often these places are in, you know, sort of pseudo ordinary places. They just like, nobody's gonna know you've gone there unless somebody's following you. So it's pretty easy to get away with.

But 100%, I mean, let's drill down.

Suzie : Here, because strippers are different. Everyone goes to the ******* strippers. Like, I would never call that like, oh, I need to go to the strippers because I need to ******* see a woman.

Like, I feel like it's like massage parlors where there's actually something like going down. You're going there for a purpose, and the purpose is to get off.

Mel: You know, I think strip clubs is also like a really puritanical. It's quite a North American thing. Like, I. To me, I just. I don't care.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: You know? You know, I know, like, when men are younger, they go. They go with a buddy. I don't care. They're not. I mean, I don't think it's such a big deal.

I don't think it's a huge thing.

Suzie : No, I agree.

Mel: But I think some women get very wound up on it, 100%, but. And I do think it's kind of a very North American thing as well. But I.

The massage parlors, 100%. If you are doing that, there are women that don't know that it is a thing.

Suzie : That's why I wanted to bring it up.

Mel: And you're like, yeah, it's a ******* thing. He's not going for a sports massage.

Suzie : But sometimes he is. I'm not saying every single man that goes for a massage. Oh, my God.

Mel: You could be.

Suzie : He might be going for a sports massage. But if he's going maybe like every week, then we gotta. But also, men usually don't tell their wives they're going for a massage.

They're gonna go somewhere else.

Do you know what I mean? I can never see a man being like, yeah, I'm gonna go for a massage. And they're like, that's ******* weird. You're doing that every ******* week.

It's like, no, I'm gonna go see the boys. I'm gonna go ******* do something else. Or lying to you for sure.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : I mean, no one's being honest about that.

Mel: Well, if they said it, the thing. If it was a medical thing, the chances are often the wife has got involved and has actually probably even made the appointment.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: So if he says, I'm going for massage. Exactly, you think it'd be like. It's ******* weird if my husband said that to me, which I have to make all his appointments.

Like I make his dental appointments, his hair appointments, every appointment. Otherwise he'd never go anywhere.

Suzie : Right.

Mel: He'd walk around like a vagabond. So it would be very weird. I would make the appointment. I mean, maybe that's a little extreme, but I think a lot of wives do that.

So be like, you're going where? But I know plenty of men who go to massage.

Suzie : Really?

Mel: Palace.

Suzie : Do they tell you about it?

Mel: Not me, but I. I know. Yeah, I know they do it and they think it's fine. They in their head think it's fine. Their wives have no idea.

Suzie : Look, you have to get your rocks off somehow. And I'm not excusing it for any means, but I am saying if it's like, if it's better than cheating. Cheating? Cheating on your wife.

Mel: It is.

Suzie : And it's like something like, maybe your wives don't want to **** you. You know what I mean?

Mel: Yeah. But I know men who. Their wives do **** them and they still do it. Yeah.

Suzie : Men are just.

Mel: And so the thing that is a little bit weird is like you're not having sex with the person. I mean, I don't know because I've never been to a massage parlor.

Suzie : I think you can touch them.

Mel: Can you?

Suzie : I think it depends on the parlor.

Mel: Maybe it depends on the parlor in the country.

Suzie : I think it depends on the parlor.

Mel: I.

Suzie : Some of them are real prostitutes and some of them are. Of course there's going to be, you know. Right.

Mel: And let's Face it, you probably start entry level.

Suzie : Entry level candies.

Mel: Yeah. But I think there's a lot of men who go for a hand job, let's call it what it is for sure. And you do think to yourself why.

Suzie : It just feels like it's just woman's touch.

Mel: Yeah, I guess that's what I think.

Suzie : I mean I've never been to one. I mean, but I can only assume that's what something of this is or.

Mel: It'S something their wife doesn't do or they take that image with this person who isn't their wife because they don't want to. I think in many cases men who go to massage parlors don't want to cheat.

So this is like the best way of not actually cheating but kind of having interaction with a woman and then they have that image in their mind and then they can do what they want with that image in their mind.

But do you see what I mean? They're not actually the. It is not going in the hole.

Suzie : It's not going in the hole.

Mel: It's not.

Suzie : No holes have been used in this.

Mel: Exactly. So technically, you know, it's okay. But it isn't. Because I think whatever you're doing, if your wife doesn't know you're doing it, it's fine.

Suzie : You're sort of cheating.

Mel: You're cheating.

I mean because you know, you could go and have your bits waxed and a woman's got to touch your course. Ding dong. But if your wife knows you're going to have your bits waxed, then that's fine.

Wow.

Suzie : I can't believe men wax their bits. Straight men.

Mel: Oh my God. Yeah, it's a whole thing. Landscaping. Yeah. Someone want some wives saying wow, yeah, men. So much waxing, sugaring, lasering. Some men have it. Laser.

Suzie : You know what, you're right. You're right.

Mel: It's a huge thing. And, and then some wives obviously do it. Please don't shave your men. They really should be seeing a professional. Just like to say that for the balls, the whole thing really, you shouldn't shave.

It's very itchy for men though.

Suzie : It's so painful.

Mel: No, sugaring's the best. Get it Sugared.

Suzie : I've had sugaring and it hurts. All ******* ****.

Mel: It's the best thing. But I, it's. You need to go and see somebody, but you need to go and see somebody who is.

Deals with men and straight men, straight men and gay men. But is very professional and there are tons of people. But it's very common. It's very common.

Suzie : No, of course it is. And imagine it must hurt.

Mel: But. But the point is. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, having a freaking *****.

Suzie : No, it does, obviously, but you get used to it. But I just can't imagine of the.

Mel: Balls getting used to that.

Suzie : They're so sensitive down there and they're.

Mel: Just so these women know.

Suzie : It's like, you know, such thin skin, you know? Yeah.

Mel: Anyway, yeah, there are many professionals out there.

Suzie : Wow.

Mel: But if your wife knows you're doing it, that's. That's fine. But massage parlors are holding anyway, so. Yeah, that's. That's the tea. The tea.

Suzie : The tea has been said.

Mel: Have I said enough? Did we want more? Hang on.

Suzie : Give us one more.

Mel: Some of these are so long. That's the problem.

Suzie : Oh, it's fine.

Mel: Don't.

Suzie : Long ones.

Mel: Okay, so this is really charming. Okay, tell me. This is about sexless marriage. And I'm assuming this is a man because of his handle, but whatever. For women, sex is a tool to be used.

So it starts. Well, that's really nice. Its main reason is reproduction. And once they have the kids, they want it no longer. No want. It's no longer needed. Second, it's a method of control to attract a partner.

It's charming. But once you have kids, you have locked the man down anyway. So sex is only needed to be used to reinforce control when he gets pushed too far by the crazy she's putting him, putting him through.

Anyway, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Obviously, the sure, women occasionally like sex. This is the nice bit. Sure, women occasionally like sex for pleasure, but mostly for gratification of their ego.

I mean, I could go on. I would just like to say to this person and any man who thinks that you are wrong, this is a.

Suzie : Man who's never made a woman come in his entire ******* life.

Mel: I mean, yeah, that has to be.

Suzie : Like, the amount of fun sex I've had with men who were open and kind and just, like, love to have sex and love to make a woman come. That is, like, so incredible.

And the amount of sex I've had with *******, really bad at sex. Men who just like, no ******* idea and 100% they think this way.

Mel: And men who care about you and care about, like, how you're feeling in that situation. Not necessarily, you know, love and everything, but they care. They, you know, and it's, it's.

It's amazing. And it's astonishing to me that men do not understand or these particular men that you are going to have Better sex if you treat the woman well. And it's a whole experience.

Right. And I don't like. Who are these women? I would like to know somebody. Tell me who are these women who you're just marrying for kids, who are just marrying you for kids who don't want sex anymore?

That is just not true.

I've said this many times and I've said this in comments, I've said this in all sorts of things. Is that, yes, sex ebbs and flows for women and for men, and particularly for women, because we have hormones, because we have children, because we have periods, because we have the menopause, all the above, yes, it may go through cycles.

But if you honestly think that women don't want sex or pleasure, why do you think the vibrator industry is a billion dollar industry? You can buy a vibrator anywhere. You can't walk a few streets in Toronto without shoppers.

Drug mart, sort of anthropology. You get one in Indigo, for God's sake. Why do you think they are there? I mean, please, everyone, yeah, but men.

Suzie : Just don't ******* care about women's pleasure. I think that's the underlying thing of this.

Mel: Not all men, not men, some men. But the.

Suzie : I think most men. Can I say most men, it is.

Mel: Well, you can if that's what you think. Yeah, I think the men, my experience is what it is, don't understand and don't get it 100%. But I think it goes for the same for women who think there are all these men out there who are raging psychopaths.

That is not all men. There are lots of lovely.

Suzie : Of course there are lots of men. I know most men are lovely and.

Mel: There are a lot of the guys.

Suzie : Who I've hooked up with, though, do not know anything about ******* and making a woman come.

Mel: Well, that's probably why they're, you know.

Suzie : But that's why a lot of them think this way.

Mel: I know and I, I feel bad for them, I really do.

Suzie : Guys, just be open to pleasure for your woman.

Mel: Be open, be nice, be kind.

I don't know who all these women you're meeting who just want you for money and want you for. Like we're saying, I want that you want. I don't.

Suzie : Money. They don't even have any money.

Mel: Well, yeah, but that's gonna be honest. But I don't know who all these women are. There are lots of women out there who are not like that. And I want you to go and find those women and not these women.

Suzie : Oh, my God.

Mel: And I'D like the women to find nice, nice men. Oh, my God. We need to have.

Suzie : We need to have some kind of system, some dating app system where you guys are all gonna meet and be angry at each other and angry.

Mel: There are nice men. My husband's a very nice man.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: He treats me very well.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: But I'm very nice to him.

Suzie : Yeah, exactly.

Mel: I'm not a psychotic.

Suzie : You guys are partners.

Mel: Nutcase.

Suzie : People don't meet. Well, anyways, it's a whole other thing.

Mel: It's another episode. Psychotic nut cases.

Suzie : It's possible.

Mel: Anyway, I think that's it.

Suzie : I think that's it now.

Mel: Yeah. Okay.

Suzie : Well, love you guys and we'll see you next time.

Mel: Yes, until next time.

Suzie : Goodbye, darlings. Bye.

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