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Hey, babes.

Mel: Hello, darling. That's awfully good of you.

Suzie: I've been practicing over the holidays.

Mel: Very good. Very fabulous. You're very good at that.

Suzie: Mel and I have been away from each other.

Mel: It's been tragic. It's.

Suzie: It's pretty crazy. We. I don't know how. I mean, you. They. I'm assuming our audience assumes that we spend quite a bit of time together anyways because we have this podcast.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie: I don't think people understand how much work podcast is sometimes.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Because we guys, we do this every single week. So, like, a week away from each other. It's, like, a lot crazy. And I think it's been maybe two. Two weeks almost.

Or it has been two weeks. Yeah. So it is actually funny. Mel and I literally spend.

Yeah. Every week together.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: It's really special.

Mel: And then you get this pent up, like, so what's happening?

Suzie: Yeah. And you can't shut us up for like, three hours before we even start the podcast.

Mel: I have to release all this energy as to what's going on. It's quite funny.

Suzie: Yeah. It's been a lot. So we're. We're not talked out yet, so. Don't worry, guys. You're not even close.

Mel: Never happened.

Suzie: But I do want Mel to introduce what we're talking about today.

Mel: Yeah. Well, so it's January and everyone's on a new thing, Right?

Suzie: Chorus. Diets.

Mel: They're on a diet Kick. An exercise kick. They're worried about drinking too much.

Suzie: Yeah. Addictions.

Mel: Yeah. They're. Whatever they're doing. So I saw this article and I thought, well, that's very interesting. This writer who decided to go sex sober.

Suzie: Is that like doing sex without alcohol?

Mel: No, I think that's just not doing sex. Oh.

Suzie: Like, you're like you would Abstinent?

Mel: Yeah. And I think to me, I mean,

I get what she's saying. She's talking about all the. If you think about diets or you think about, you know, let's say you smoke too much weed. We're in Canada, so that's legal.

So nobody come for us. Or you drink too much, or you shop too much, whatever it is. We all have a shtick. We all have a thing that we do.

Right. That we probably do too much of. Cause we're trying to escape something else.

Suzie: Absolutely.

Mel: And I think it's weird that people talk about diets and they talk about drinking and they talk about drugs. Whatever bit of that is legal in whatever jurisdiction. They don't talk about sex enough in that way that, you know, we talk about sex addiction,

but I don't think people talk enough about that. Sex obviously is very pleasurable and a lot of people use it as a way of kind of escaping something and they use it as a way to kind of.

They think they're healing themselves,

but they're not. Because the process that they go through to have sex is the bit that's toxic, if that makes sense. Sure. So the bit like they're having the fun for, you know, whatever it is, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, whatever it is that period that you're in your nirvana,

you're saying.

Suzie: But the sex part, the before part.

Mel: No, the sex bit. So the bit that you're like in, the pleasure bit, you're very happy. Yeah.

Suzie: You're *******.

Mel: Exactly. You're having a good time, yada, yada, yada. But what got you to that? So were you on some app? Are you meeting some questionable person?

Suzie: So like the chase?

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Is that what you're talking about?

Mel: No, I'm talking about anybody probably who isn't in a full time relationship, who's using an app or, or data or let's say the interaction of sex, they're using some way of meeting somebody that's a little bit toxic.

Right. So the sex is good. And we know this, we've all experienced this where you have a good chemistry with somebody, but the actual relationship outside of that is appalling.

Is toxic. Right. So there's also this idea that the way you get to that is toxic. So do you use some kind of app? Do you like meet people in bars?

Do you hook up with people? Whatever your thing is, Right. That can actually kind of like anything, like eating, like drinking, like drugs can get you into quite a lot of trouble.

Suzie: So sex is kind of just like the cherry on top of whatever else.

Mel: You'Re doing is the high.

Suzie: No, I totally get that because I, I kind of even still am.

Mel: I'll.

Suzie: I'll admit to this is I love the chase, right, of like seeing a guy or like meeting whoever and like being like, like eyes on him. Like, he doesn't know this yet, but I'm ******* him at the end of the night.

Like.

And that's something that I've been doing since I was like 16 even. Yeah, so you have all this kind of experience and it does become.

I don't want to call it an addiction because that's not what it is for me. But there is that like, thing of, of probably a naughty, fun, you know, like you.

It's probably not good for your well being or your mental health or their well being because they don't know they're part of this kind of game you're playing. Yeah, but there is that thing of where it's like, no, this is fun for me and we're gonna have fun and then I'm not gonna ever talk to you again.

Mel: Yeah, but is that all? Is that the bit that's bad? It's more like if doing that is damaging to you in the long term.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: So that's the thing, like, but like.

Suzie: Damaging to me where it's like, like it is and it's not. But it's more damaging to the other person if they're gonna be into it 100%.

Mel: But I think that, you know, if your desire to have sex, which I think is most people, is the thing that leads up to it is not like, healthy. Whether it's a bad relationship, whether it's a toxic way of meeting people, whatever it is, if that bit isn't good for you,

the bit where you're having fun, so whether it's sex, drink, food shopping, whatever it is,

isn't explaining, isn't kind of helping with the bit that leads you to the good bit. Does that kind of make sense? So I think maybe this writer's talking about, okay, I need to look at how I'm going about it or why I'm doing.

I mean, obviously we know why you're doing it, but, like, maybe I should think about that. Maybe I should do that in a different way.

Suzie: No, that is interesting. Cause I've never gone an intentionally a long amount of time without sexual. I've always, like, I think the longest time since I started having sex, which sounds crazy, maybe not, but like, in my head it's like three Months.

It's like the longest period I've ever gone without having sex since I started having it. Maybe since I was 18 or something.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: So maybe not. But there is that thing where it's like, oh, my God, I haven't had sex in three months. I am dying.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Right. And it is like, wait, why do I feel like that? Why do I feel like I need to have sex? Because is this person still masturbating?

Mel: That's a good question. Well, because it's like, is it the.

Suzie: Sex with other people that she needs to hold off on because she's afraid? She's like, yeah, I do some toxic **** before that.

Mel: But I think that's the whole thing. I personally think about the whole conversation about masturbating. And a lot of, you know, because of, like, the sex toy industry, a lot of women are talking about it.

It's, you know, we can pretend that it's enough. It really isn't enough.

Suzie: No, it.

Mel: Because everyone needs to interact.

Suzie: But at least you're coming, right?

Mel: Like, people need human beings. I mean, we can. You know, that's why we still crave relationships. We still go into relationships when proportionately they fail so often. Right. Because we need it.

We need companionship. We need human touch. We need. We want to be with somebody. Even if you're an introvert, you want to be with somebody. Right.

Suzie: But, yeah, around someone who understands you.

Mel: But often people will go into very toxic situations for a time. Tiny bit of.

Suzie: A good bit of satisfaction.

Mel: Yeah. And so I guess that's the bit you need to ask yourself what it's worth. But I mean, that's the problem is you need what you need. But are you willing to do all that stuff that isn't.

Is not healthy?

Suzie: Like Requiem for a Dream.

Mel: Yeah, yeah.

Suzie: You've seen that movie. It's pretty ****** up. But, like, yeah, it's because these things become addictive. The things that feel good can become addictive. I did think that I had a sex addiction.

Mel: Really? And when was that? Recently. Long time ago.

Suzie: I think I remember being, like, younger, and I want to say, like, maybe 16, 17, when I was just like a horny teenager. And my friends who were not as horny as me or just, like, didn't have sex yet.

They're like, you have a sex addiction. And I think they were just like, like, throwing their judgments at me.

Mel: And I was like, I don't think.

Suzie: I have a sex addiction. I think I just like sex also maybe escapism in that way, because I wasn't Super. Like I wasn't like a happy at home teen.

Mel: Yeah, right.

Suzie: Like you're trying all these new things. You're trying to get out of the house, you're trying to be independent and you're figuring things out. And sex is also a part of that.

But then also it's like, you know, at 22, when you still want sex all the time? Like 25 and it like then now 28, 29, where I am now. Yeah, I still want sex all the time.

So is it an addiction? Yes, it makes me feel amazing and like it is a part of a bit of escapism where it's like, makes you feel amazing, makes you feel great.

It's like you're having fun, hopefully when you're doing it.

So, yeah, it's a very easily addictive thing that is also like, if you're doing it safely is not an unhealthy thing to do. Right. So that's a hard thing to kind of get your head around when you're trying to be sex sober, let's say, because you're like, well, what the,

what's the real problem here? It's like, it's bad for my health, right?

Mel: Like, no, 100%. I think it's. It's more like thinking about the questionable things you do to have the fun. Right. And I think, you know, that definitely happens when you're younger.

And yeah, I agree. Like,

what is the problem? Like, you want to have fun. It's a totally normal human thing.

But if it was just for the majority of time that you're young and you could have sexual interactions and that's it, like, literally you're eating or you're drinking or you're, you know, doing anything.

You just, okay, you're attractive, blah, blah, fun time, blah, blah, blah, blah. But that isn't the case. Yeah, it doesn't work for the majority of people.

One person may be able to think like that for the vast majority of times. The other person doesn't. And often, even in the briefest of encounters, like one person is way more invested in the other person.

I mean, it's crazy, but that happens.

Suzie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mel: So then it sort of becomes toxic. And I think I was talking to somebody the other day about it and I'd never really thought about it. And they were saying to me how they had used sex.

They felt they'd use sex to heal themselves. They thought it was healing because I know it sounds sort of correct. You go into another thing, you're doing another thing, you're escaping into something, you're escaping to another world.

And they thought,

that's healing. And they didn't do it consciously. They realized afterwards. But the problem was all the toxic situations that got them into these sexual interactions were kind of more damaging, I see, than the pleasure it gave them.

And I think there are actually. And I thought about it a bit after I spoke to them and I was like, you know,

I actually think a lot of. A lot of people use sex to heal themselves.

Suzie: I've done it for sure. And it's really helped me. Like having good sex, not just having sex with anyone you can ******* find, because I've done that too. But it's like.

Mel: But that bit isn't healing. And that's.

Suzie: No, that's exactly.

Mel: So I understand that you've done that. I mean, most of us have done that and most of us have made some, like, you know, decisions. We would.

Suzie: The amount of people that I've had sex with, that I'm like, what the **** was I doing? Is ridiculous. But you learn from those experiences. Hopefully you didn't get pregnant or got an STI from those experiences.

Right. That's why we use the condoms. That's why we use. Do these, all these things with every single partner we have. But things happen. But, you know, you have to make smart decisions and it's okay to have bad experiences to know that you've had also good experiences.

Right. Like, you have to have the balance.

Mel: If it leads you from somewhere where you do some stupid ****, where you're young in whatever it is you do stupid ****, and it leads you to go, okay, that wasn't that smart.

I'm going to do this now. Or I'm. I'm done with that. I'm going to do this, then that makes sense. But I think that's the point is a lot of people don't do that.

And they keep making the same mistake at time and time and time again. They keep doing the same thing. Yeah. Because they know, like,

meeting that person in a bar and I don't know, does anybody meet in a bar anymore? Meeting that person on whatever app or whatever they're doing.

They know, like, this is a very bad idea. But the bit that comes next is good. But the bit before and bit after is bad.

Suzie: But you don't know until you try if it's bad.

Mel: Well, no, but, you know, I guess, you know, if you're in a situation.

Suzie: If you're doing for the wrong reasons, if you're like, oh, I should get laid.

Mel: Yeah, but that's the point. I think lots of people do just.

Suzie: Need to get laid, though.

Mel: They do. They do.

Suzie: So is it so bad?

Mel: I don't think it is bad. As long as they can cope with the kind of stuff surrounding them.

Suzie: There is the honesty bit, like the honesty to ourselves and the honesty to the other person. I think because, like, I've just got out of a really long relationship in my, like, young age of 29.

And, you know, there's that weird part where you're like, do I go out with this guy? How much do you tell them about your past relationship before you want to have.

You know what I mean? Because you don't want to be like, oh, well, I just. I'm here for fun. You don't want to say that. So it's a very hard line to draw because you really don't know what you want until you actually meet that person.

Mel: Yeah. And I think it's kind of. It's. I just think it's an interesting term. I just read it and I thought sex sober. That really is a bit up, isn't it?

Suzie: Just like, she's. Is she still going on dates?

Mel: No, she's not going on dates.

Suzie: She's completely just, like, cutting off.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Romanticism, sex.

Mel: The. The bitty pots.

The bits are not meeting and none. None. Nothing is. And. But I think maybe this is all part of all the **** we've talked about for months, is that I think people.

Yeah. Are they just taking themselves too seriously? Like, just relax. Like, this could be.

This could just be sex. Or this could be more. Or this could be.

Suzie: The only reason someone would do this is because they felt like. In my mind, is because they felt like they were taking advantage of other people before and they were doing sex and.

Or they were doing sex in an unhealthy way before 100. That's the only reason someone would go sex sober. That's the only reason why I've ever gone, like, a sober January or anything like that.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Because I'm like, oh, I've been drinking way too much.

Mel: You've overdone it.

Suzie: I need to sober myself up and then I'll be good.

Mel: But I think.

Suzie: Come back to it.

Mel: Yeah. But I think that's the point, is that there are lots of people who have a healthy, balanced approach to sex. It is. Excuse me, it is part of their life.

It is not their life. It is a thing that's very nice and part of what? Their life. But it's not everything. But then there are a lot of People, like people who have any kind of addiction, it is all consuming.

So the pursuit to get that pleasure is all consuming and toxic.

So.

But you know, I think you kind of have bigger problems really, don't you, rather than the sex.

Suzie: Yeah, for me, sex solves problems, makes me happier, relaxed, makes me more relaxed, makes me feel like I'm in control of my body again. There's a lot of times where like, I don't know if this happened exactly.

Like for, for some people, I don't know, maybe this doesn't happen. But like for me, when I'm having a really stressful time or it's like I just feel like super in my head about stuff and I could finally just at the end of the day, like let go and have an amazing experience with someone who like loves and appreciates my body.

And then I love and appreciate my body even more because of this experience that makes me feel amazing. And I'm like, **** yeah, I can rule the ******* world.

Mel: Yeah. But on the whole you're having experiences with somebody, you sort of like, yeah, you'd hope so.

Suzie: But sometimes that's not even the case. I mean, now it is because I'm having sex with more people that I have more of a connection with because I'm just in my later 20s and I've figured that out.

But I had this exact same, not exact same experience but like the same reaction to sex. I was still using sex for empowerment when I was younger. The, the feelings aren't the same.

Me, my 29 year old self and like my 19 year old self are not the same. But there are very, there's a huge amount of similarity with our sex experiences where it's like, I don't regret a lot of, I don't regret anything of what I did when I was 19.

There's a lot of things that I'm like, susie, come on, like, why did you do that? But I'm like, it's not like I regret it, it's more of just like a learning experience.

Mel: You wouldn't do it now, but I wouldn't do it.

Suzie: Exactly. It's, it's just all a learning experience for me. So it's like, okay, move on, let's get better, let's do better, let's find better people who ****. And like that's what we should be doing.

And that's fine.

I would never have a sex sober moment.

Mel: No, because it's.

Suzie: You know what this reminds me of?

I would not be able to do it. But you know, this reminds Me of is like a no nut November. Have you heard of this?

Mel: Yes, I have.

Suzie: The no, no, no nut November. Mostly for men, I'm assuming, where it's like, guys who think that they've been jerking off too much or something like that, which, honestly, maybe they have.

Maybe they should take a break. I don't have a ****. I have no idea what that's like.

Mel: Really. I can show you.

Suzie: But, you know, there's. And I'm just like, I don't agree with this, with this month for being known for, you know, not masturbating or not. I'm just like. Just like, why don't we have a healthy relationship with our ****?

You guys, Like.

Mel: Well, I would agree with that. Yeah.

Suzie: But that's what this reminds me of.

Mel: But it's the same thing. Is like, just why are you getting to the point where you're being abstinent? Because it has been so toxic to get you to that point, which is a bit like, who the hell have you been meeting?

Suzie: Exactly.

Mel: But, yeah, so I just thought it was kind of weird and interesting because everyone's giving up or tries, you know.

Suzie: That you try to give up one thing. It's like Lent for the Christmas.

Mel: Everyone who gets in January, like, okay, right, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this better. I'm not gonna do that. And then you sort of get to about the 10th of January, and we've all given up.

Suzie: Oh, I remember what. What month did we try to give up alcohol? And we lasted like a week.

Mel: It. It. For generally, for me, it lasts a very, very short amount.

Suzie: Mine is. I think I've done 10 days.

Mel: I'm very good for a few days, but then a crisis occurs, and then I need a glass of wine, and then I feel a lot better about everything.

Suzie: And that's okay.

Mel: Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I should question my own actions maybe. Yeah.

Suzie: But I think you drink, right? You have a lot going on.

Mel: I do.

Suzie: You. You are allowed to escape. I think that's what people. People are so ******* hard on themselves of being like, you know, we have to be sober with our, you know, we.

We can't drink too much. We can't smoke too much. We can't shop too much.

Mel: We.

Suzie: We can't have sex too much. It's just like, why don't we all just do things in equal, you know, just balance.

Mel: I. I agree. Balance thing.

Suzie: Some things happen a lot. Some things don't happen a lot. Like, there's Just ways that the life goes.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Gotta be kinder to ourselves.

Mel: I 100% agree. And I think if you recognize stuff, and I was saying this to you earlier. I've always had this. Me personally, I've always had this thing that I like tv.

I like watching stuff.

And I had a sort of, let's say, a problem childhood. So when I was a kid, I watched a lot of TV because I was escaping what was going on in my life.

And now I still like tv and I'm actually not escaping anything at all because my life's pretty good. But I. I still feel when I get stressed, if I kind of sit and watch something, it makes me feel calm.

But it's like. Because I'm escaping into something that isn't anything to do with my life and. But I recognize that's what's going on. I know what I'm doing, but I know where that came from in my life.

And I think that's. Anything with anybody. If you can sort of try and understand why you do something. Yeah, it's very helpful.

And I'm. Sex, drinking, food, shopping, watching tv. It doesn't really matter what it is.

Suzie: No. And I think most of us have addictions that we aren't even aware of.

Mel: We all do.

Suzie: Right. Things that we are able. Like. Yeah, of course. Meth is an escape. So is sex.

Mel: Yeah. And I mean, some of. Some of the things cost money. Don't try meth. Yeah, please don't. And some of them do cost money.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And, you know, if you can hopefully find something that doesn't cost money, that's very helpful. Yeah.

Suzie: Give us a tip.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, I like shopping, and that's not good.

Suzie: Me too. That's our problem.

Mel: But, you know, whatever. Anyway, that's my comment for January sex. Sober or not? Probably not.

Suzie: I'd say not. That's just me, though. I don't know. I, like.

Mel: I couldn't do it, but maybe question some of the pursuits.

Suzie: Well, July, January is the time for reflection.

Mel: There you go.

Suzie: And we should reflect on what our year has been. And I look at my year and how many times I've had amazing sex.

Mel: I'm like, yeah, but with guys you've chosen. So if you're going to bars and dodgy situations or whatever that is today, I have no idea. Then maybe think about that. Maybe think about doing it in a better way.

I don't know, go to yoga and have sex with the guys at the yoga class.

Suzie: Or what if your sex life is so ******* boring? You're like, maybe I'm going to do it in a worse way.

Mel: Well, there is that too, you know.

Suzie: Maybe you're like, I'm so sick of having boring sex.

Mel: Well, I mean, that's the mass of the population.

Suzie: I'm ready to go big or go home and I'm going to start a sex community of orgies and key parties and swingers.

Mel: Wow. Okay. Oh, you could do that.

Suzie: I. That's why. That's the route that I. I'm like, why are we experimenting less? Why are we taking away ****?

Mel: Go the other way.

Suzie: Go the other. Go more extreme.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Go bat ****.

Mel: But fair enough.

Suzie: Nuts on the sex side, go. You think you're ******* crazy. I think not.

Mel: I know friends who've done that. They've got divorced and they've gone absolutely crazy.

Suzie: That's the only way to do it.

Mel: I think it's very healthy. It is.

Suzie: You have to experiment to know what you don't like 100%.

Mel: It's like anything.

Suzie: Yes. And so if you aren't doing that, what are you doing?

Mel: It's like. It's like anything. If you don't eat spinach. Oh, my God.

Suzie: I was just gonna say, I'm like, if you don't have peas.

Mel: I love spinach. I love peas. So if you don't eat them, you're not gonna know?

Suzie: No. Not gonna have, like, pineapple. How are you gonna know if you don't like pineapple?

Mel: I know. I love all those things, so.

Suzie: God, you gotta love them.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: But if you don't, that's fine. Just gotta experiment.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Although we're fruit into this fruity gal.

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sex, sober. I want to talk about.

We're going to talk about. We have a little tea for today. Okay,

Quick little tea. Mel and I were talking about it Today I want. I just want our audience's opinion on this. Because it's like if you're dating a rich guy,

you know, he has the means and let's say he still takes you out, he does all these things for you,

but he doesn't like material purchases.

Is that a red flag?

Mel: It's problematic.

Suzie: So for Mel and I, we're very materialistic girls, okay? It's not a problem for us. We can afford our own ****. It's fine.

Mel: It is.

Suzie: Obviously Mel has a wonderful husband who loves to buy her things.

Mel: He doesn't like to shop, he hates shopping.

Suzie: But a wonderful husband because he's like, anything you want, baby, you got that?

Mel: He just says whatever you want because then he has a quiet life.

Suzie: So good.

Mel: So he has figured that out.

Suzie: He's smart.

Mel: Yeah, he's figured that out.

Suzie: So, you know, guy who has means, loves to take care of you.

Mel: Why does he care what you're buying?

Suzie: I think it's just. I have no idea. It's his money. He feels like it's a dumb purchase.

Mel: Yeah, okay. That's the root of my issue with it.

Suzie: Okay, tell me more.

Mel: Because it's dumb for him, it's not dumb for you, right? So men need different things to women on the whole. And not all women are into handbags and beauty and stuff like that, but let's say proportionally more women than men are.

And it's a bit like men and women don't need,

for the most part the same things.

So then he's judging you on the same kind of level as him.

And I think that's stupid. And why does he care? And also, I also think a man of a certain amount of means, and this is kind of old fashioned. So you're all gonna like ******* come at me in the comments is, you know, you kind of want to be with a woman.

Like if you're hanging out in certain places, going to. You want your woman to be well dressed. And I mean, that's very old fashioned. That sounds awful, but it's true.

Suzie: I agree with that. I'm like, you think that this costs money.

Mel: I was just saying to you, it brings you down.

Suzie: I was like, baby, I'm like, and women, feminist, women hate this **** when you compare yourself to an item.

But sometimes that's the only way that men kind of their brands can go.

Which sounds horrible, but I'm like, imagine myself as a super expensive car. Okay.

Mel: Oh my God. I was just thinking this.

Suzie: I need maintenance. I need the best maintenance possible.

Mel: But I Was just thinking, if he's driving. Let's say he's driving a Bentley and you turn up with an Aritzia bag. I mean, does it make sense to me? Or you turn up with.

Today I've been looking at the Walmart working. Do you know that I'm so current. I'm so on top of.

Suzie: You're way too current for me.

Mel: So Walmart has come out. Come out with this copy of the Birkin.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And I think it's called the Working Start or something stupid anyway. And it's like 79 or whatever it is you. Let's say you're driving around in a Bentley. You can't have like a ******* Walmart handbag.

No, it doesn't. You can't walk into some of these. I mean, it just. I don't understand why.

And we're going to say traditionally, man, woman. It could be the other way. Why he would give a ****. I don't get it.

And I. You know, he should be grateful. Yeah. I don't get it.

Suzie: That he is able to spend his money on me.

Mel: I can understand why he wouldn't want to buy a Birkin. I remember. Oh, no, we're not even talking about Birkins. I mean, like, Max went into Ahmes and. No, my. My lovely husband has no idea about these things.

I've taught him about them, but he does. Has no idea. And he's like, okay, I'm gonna buy you an Hermes. And he walked in, Hermes, and this is like, that's probably more than like 15, 20 years ago.

Suzie: And they were cheap back then.

Mel: No, they weren't cheap. A. He said, I want the Burke. And he's like, you can't. You can't get it. It was a bit like, you have.

Suzie: To make an appointment.

Mel: It was a bit. No, it was like that scene from Samantha in She's wherever she goes, Bergdorf Goodman's or whatever. And you can't get one.

Suzie: She went to her door.

Mel: So my husband. Huh?

Suzie: She went into her mess.

Mel: Yeah, yeah. And my husband was like, hang on, what do you mean? I'm gonna give you the money. Like, he. In his brain, he cannot understand why can I not have it.

The fact that it's handmade by Craftsman in blah. He's like, no, no, no, I don't give a ****.

But then they tell him the price and he's like,

no, I just want the bag. I don't want the shop. I don't want, like the whole company. I just want the bag.

Suzie: Oh, my God.

Mel: And he's like, knows about expensive bag. He's like, yeah, that is very expensive. Yeah. So, you know, fair enough, but that was a while ago.

Suzie: He's, you know, look, it's not for everyone. And also, I mean, I understand that material things aren't for everybody. Some people like houses, right? Like, and they're like, why would you want something if you could save up for something that's actually going to make you.

Mel: Oh, yeah. It's all relative. It's a bit like, you know,

people like doing things. Like, I don't like adventure holidays. Like, I don't want to go. And the. No, I don't want to do anything where I'm not.

Suzie: I can't even imagine you. Ziplining. That is so crazy.

Mel: I just want to sit down at a table and I'll look at the people. Zip lining with a glass of wine. I do not want to do any of that. I don't want to be doing any.

Suzie: You don't want snorkel?

Mel: I don't. I've done it all. I don't want to do it. And so, you know, But I understand people who spend lots and lots of money going on holidays where they watch,

I don't know, turtles doing whatever.

Well, there's it lining. I don't want to do it, but that's fine. But I would really like to go to Paris and go into a store and I'd like to spend my money for shop.

Yeah. That way.

Suzie: I agree with you.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: Some people like to. Like, we are shop girls.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And that's fine.

Mel: But some people really think you're.

Suzie: And when I see something I bought from somewhere that I know I bought it from, it gives me joy.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: It's something material that I can take with me. It's not just an experience that I'll remember, I might get forget it when I have dementia.

Mel: Well, look, I would say to these men, I like jewelry. I'm very into jewelry, and luckily my husband likes buying jewelry. But I would say to any man who is averse to jewelry, handbags, whatever, for their partner,

you can always sell it.

Suzie: Yes.

Mel: Something that actually make money.

Suzie: Absolutely. With actual Birkins, you can make money. Hermes, you can make money. Chanel's. You can make money.

Mel: I mean, you can sell it. I'm not sure, you know, there are questions of. But the point is they're vintage, but yeah, yeah, you can make money out of it.

Suzie: You can. Yeah, they're an investment piece. That's what they call them.

Mel: Stock. Stock or Birkins.

Suzie: Birkin 100.

We gotta stop because these men are gonna hate us for this. Okay, Love you guys so much. What do you guys think about the stocks, slash the Birkins and escapism in sex Sober.

Sex, Sex sober.

Mel: Love it.

Suzie: Have you guys done it? We want to know.

Mel: We want to know.

Suzie: Love you.

Mel: Bye.

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